Anti-vegans are way more annoying and overzealous in my experience. I rarely see the stereotypical asshole vegan but I do often see the obnoxious anti-vegan.
I’m not gonna defend this meme or anything but there are very militant vegans on lemmy who sit in their communities and just insult non vegans with invented slurs and sometimes fantasize about violence towards them.
While it’s usually in their communities they also frequently forget where they are and bring it outside the bubbles. I wouldn’t be surprised if one pops up here.
Idk, I have the opposite perspective. In real life, I hear of far too many announcements about being vegan when food isn’t even being discussed (e.g. “Hi, I’m and I’m vegan.”), and I pretty much only hear about someone being anti-vegan when someone is being obnoxious. This is much worse on the internet, where people’s inhibitions seem a lot lower than real life.
In fact, the only obnoxious anti-vegans I’ve seen are responses to obnoxious vegans. As in, the discussion is started by the vegan, and then they get dogpiled by the anti-vegans. The number of responses may be higher from the anti-vegans, but anti-vegans don’t seem to initiate.
Maybe that’s just me, idk, but that’s what I’ve noticed.
Maybe, maybe. Dunno, I’m not anti-vegan, I just like trolling them.
That is actually a different thing. I cook vegan for friends and family. I even agree with most of the reasoning they espouse (the serious ones, not the online assholes).
But, c’mon, they’re so easy to bait, and someone always tries the same stuff in response. I can outright say “I’m trolling you vegans because it’s fun, and the troll is that you’re religious zealots”, and there’s still people that have to screech about how vegans are superior. That’s how silly it gets.
It’s a personality flaw, I guess. I just can’t stop myself from poking at stuffed shirts. It got me fired twice irl. One of those was in fast food as a teenager, so I don’t think it counts, but still.
Hell, go back through my comment history. I’ve said, directly, honestly, and openly that I’m an asshole. I tend to be a friendly, happy asshole, but I’m just as much an asshole as every other human on the planet.
hey bud maybe you think everyone is an asshole like you and that’s your excuse for being one but that’s not going to change that you’re an asshole and especially as people get older they have less time for assholes.
You might want to stop trying to own it and just try not being an asshole instead.
My homie, every human on the planet is an asshole, it’s just a matter of degree. Like, the last person that wasn’t was Fred Rogers, and he’s long gone.
So, shush. Lemme have my little thing. It ain’t much, but it’s a good laugh.
Like, I get your instinct, I do. It’s cool. You’re going about it wrong, but I dig the effort anyway.
Also, the homie thing isn’t snark, it’s a genuine thing to remind us both that even assholes can reach out and connect in a human way. No bullshit, no trolling on that. For some reason, people assume it’s snark more often than not, the way they do with bud, or pal, or whatever.
As a side note, did you catch the fella that took the bait and started throwing around psychopath as his take on anyone that disagrees with his beliefs? It always comes down to someone going there, if not always in that exact phrasing. That’s why it’s funny. You’ve got a belief system that’s supposed to be about compassion and ethics and goodness, but it always comes back to them insisting not only that they’re right, but that anyone else is bad for not signing up. It is absolutely hilarious that they don’t see themselves doing the same thing christian zealots do when you disagree with their stance on gay rights, trans rights, abortion, etc.
I see the beginnings of your point but if you self identify as an asshole but insist you’re actually nice and treat people well what do we call major assholes that nobody likes?
Who said nobody likes me? I’m a charming motherfucker :)
Assholes that are assholes all the time in all ways aren’t exactly rare, they just tend to be CEOs and politicians. The rest of us are the usual mix of ingredients.
Look, lemme step outside of the whole vegan chain for a minute.
Humanity, humans, are animals. We’re driven by chemicals and instincts and reactions to stimumi. Out of that mess, we somehow manage to sometimes rise above it, but most of us, most of the time, are so wrapped up in our own shit that we never think. Even when we’re aware of that, we simply can’t maintain the level of meta-awareness needed to STAY above the inner animal.
Ever get grumpy when you’re tired, and snap at someone? That’s the inner monkey pulling the real self back into the drives of the body. And even the most dedicated monks can’t meditate that away completely.
Us being assholes? That’s our inner monkey slapping us around and taking the steering wheel for a while.
That’s a different kind of asshole than the kind of asshole that’s always like that for whatever reason, and even that’s a different thing than the folks that take joy in causing misery.
You see the baseline I’m talking about here? Most assholes like you and me are nice and treat people well most of the time. But we’re still animals. We’re still driven by the meat we ride around in. It’s all about when and where and how the inner monkey flings poo, and how much rein we have with it.
Scroll around lemmy. It’s a leftist paradise, right? Anything from progressive to far left extremism. You’d expect the folks in the progressive, humanist range to be fairly nice, right? They are mostly, but they still have their moments. It might be MAGA, it might be tankies, it might be shitty drivers, or firearms, but there’s something that bypasses most people’s reins and lets the inner monkey out to screech and bare its teeth. And these are the “sane” people. These are the ones that stand up for human rights and are allies to the downtrodden.
That’s what I’m getting at. My inner monkey is just easy to please, and I don’t argue with it. I see bigotry, I let it fling poo. I see a stuffed shirt pretending to be better than other people by virtue of some random belief system, I let it fling poo. I agree with my inner monkey. I’m not better than some vegan zealot, I’m not better than you, I’m not better than anyone. I’m just another asshole.
Anti-vegans are way more annoying and overzealous in my experience. I rarely see the stereotypical asshole vegan but I do often see the obnoxious anti-vegan.
I’m not gonna defend this meme or anything but there are very militant vegans on lemmy who sit in their communities and just insult non vegans with invented slurs and sometimes fantasize about violence towards them.
While it’s usually in their communities they also frequently forget where they are and bring it outside the bubbles. I wouldn’t be surprised if one pops up here.
Idk, I have the opposite perspective. In real life, I hear of far too many announcements about being vegan when food isn’t even being discussed (e.g. “Hi, I’m and I’m vegan.”), and I pretty much only hear about someone being anti-vegan when someone is being obnoxious. This is much worse on the internet, where people’s inhibitions seem a lot lower than real life.
In fact, the only obnoxious anti-vegans I’ve seen are responses to obnoxious vegans. As in, the discussion is started by the vegan, and then they get dogpiled by the anti-vegans. The number of responses may be higher from the anti-vegans, but anti-vegans don’t seem to initiate.
Maybe that’s just me, idk, but that’s what I’ve noticed.
Maybe, maybe. Dunno, I’m not anti-vegan, I just like trolling them.
That is actually a different thing. I cook vegan for friends and family. I even agree with most of the reasoning they espouse (the serious ones, not the online assholes).
But, c’mon, they’re so easy to bait, and someone always tries the same stuff in response. I can outright say “I’m trolling you vegans because it’s fun, and the troll is that you’re religious zealots”, and there’s still people that have to screech about how vegans are superior. That’s how silly it gets.
It’s a personality flaw, I guess. I just can’t stop myself from poking at stuffed shirts. It got me fired twice irl. One of those was in fast food as a teenager, so I don’t think it counts, but still.
Honestly you’ve made yourself seem like an online asshole here. Who else besides an asshole ragebaits people for their own enjoyment?
Did I ever say I wasn’t an asshole?
Hell, go back through my comment history. I’ve said, directly, honestly, and openly that I’m an asshole. I tend to be a friendly, happy asshole, but I’m just as much an asshole as every other human on the planet.
hey bud maybe you think everyone is an asshole like you and that’s your excuse for being one but that’s not going to change that you’re an asshole and especially as people get older they have less time for assholes.
You might want to stop trying to own it and just try not being an asshole instead.
My homie, every human on the planet is an asshole, it’s just a matter of degree. Like, the last person that wasn’t was Fred Rogers, and he’s long gone.
So, shush. Lemme have my little thing. It ain’t much, but it’s a good laugh.
Like, I get your instinct, I do. It’s cool. You’re going about it wrong, but I dig the effort anyway.
Also, the homie thing isn’t snark, it’s a genuine thing to remind us both that even assholes can reach out and connect in a human way. No bullshit, no trolling on that. For some reason, people assume it’s snark more often than not, the way they do with bud, or pal, or whatever.
As a side note, did you catch the fella that took the bait and started throwing around psychopath as his take on anyone that disagrees with his beliefs? It always comes down to someone going there, if not always in that exact phrasing. That’s why it’s funny. You’ve got a belief system that’s supposed to be about compassion and ethics and goodness, but it always comes back to them insisting not only that they’re right, but that anyone else is bad for not signing up. It is absolutely hilarious that they don’t see themselves doing the same thing christian zealots do when you disagree with their stance on gay rights, trans rights, abortion, etc.
It’s the same thing, over and over again.
I see the beginnings of your point but if you self identify as an asshole but insist you’re actually nice and treat people well what do we call major assholes that nobody likes?
Who said nobody likes me? I’m a charming motherfucker :)
Assholes that are assholes all the time in all ways aren’t exactly rare, they just tend to be CEOs and politicians. The rest of us are the usual mix of ingredients.
Look, lemme step outside of the whole vegan chain for a minute.
Humanity, humans, are animals. We’re driven by chemicals and instincts and reactions to stimumi. Out of that mess, we somehow manage to sometimes rise above it, but most of us, most of the time, are so wrapped up in our own shit that we never think. Even when we’re aware of that, we simply can’t maintain the level of meta-awareness needed to STAY above the inner animal.
Ever get grumpy when you’re tired, and snap at someone? That’s the inner monkey pulling the real self back into the drives of the body. And even the most dedicated monks can’t meditate that away completely.
Us being assholes? That’s our inner monkey slapping us around and taking the steering wheel for a while.
That’s a different kind of asshole than the kind of asshole that’s always like that for whatever reason, and even that’s a different thing than the folks that take joy in causing misery.
You see the baseline I’m talking about here? Most assholes like you and me are nice and treat people well most of the time. But we’re still animals. We’re still driven by the meat we ride around in. It’s all about when and where and how the inner monkey flings poo, and how much rein we have with it.
Scroll around lemmy. It’s a leftist paradise, right? Anything from progressive to far left extremism. You’d expect the folks in the progressive, humanist range to be fairly nice, right? They are mostly, but they still have their moments. It might be MAGA, it might be tankies, it might be shitty drivers, or firearms, but there’s something that bypasses most people’s reins and lets the inner monkey out to screech and bare its teeth. And these are the “sane” people. These are the ones that stand up for human rights and are allies to the downtrodden.
That’s what I’m getting at. My inner monkey is just easy to please, and I don’t argue with it. I see bigotry, I let it fling poo. I see a stuffed shirt pretending to be better than other people by virtue of some random belief system, I let it fling poo. I agree with my inner monkey. I’m not better than some vegan zealot, I’m not better than you, I’m not better than anyone. I’m just another asshole.