Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide

https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342

Dessalines AKA “parentis_shotgun” on Reddit, is the main Lemmy dev, also the admin of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml.

Their post and discussions on Reddit (archive as the original post must have been removed):

https://web.archive.org/web/20230626055233/https://old.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/

Please join the discussions for Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem:

https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

And the discussions for finding/creating alternative communities on other instances:

https://lemmy.world/post/16235541

What is a tankie?

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    Are there people that don’t know that Lemmy is developed by Marxists, and their instance is run by Marxists? Thought that was common knowledge, that’s why Lemmy exists in the first place, it was developed along Communist principles.

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        6 months ago

        Could be, but again, Lemmy was made along Communist principles, it’s safe to assume people interested in Communist principles are going to be here.

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          Perhaps the point is that those principles predate Communism by quite some time, and Communism added a lot of its own baggage on them.

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          But they may not know the history of it or why it was made before joining. I certainly didn’t, it was more about a decentralised alternative to Reddit, I just joined and explored.

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      6 months ago

      Because Lemmy is usually marketed as the Fediverse alternative to Reddit, not as a communist platform.

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      That’s not quite correct, they are Marxists Leninists, who are the more Authoritarian and reactionary counterparts.

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        All Marxist-Leninists are Marxists, not all Marxists are Marxist-Leninists.

        It’s accurate to describe them as Marxists still.

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          6 months ago

          technically accurate sure, but it implies that all marxists are tankies, which is absolutely not true.

          what precisely would be the problem with referring to them by the specific term for what they are?

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      Plenty of people try Lemmy then promptly leave when they realize it’s run by “Marxists” (i.e. people pretending to Marxists as a facade for spreading CCP propaganda).

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        it’s run by “Marxists”

        Lemmy isn’t run by any one entity. Lemmy is essentially just the protocol that the Lemmyverse is built off of, which itself is an extension of ActivityPub.

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      Bruh, Lemmy is a federated clone of Reddit. And tankies did not come up with the Fediverse or Reddit. If anything Lemmy is closer to a classic capitalist structure with the communities being owned by the admin (boss). Users have no control of any community no matter how much they contribute. I guess since tankies are state capitalists anyway they feel right at home.

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        No, Marxists did not create the fediverse, but Marxists did create Lemmy.

        Explain how Free and Open Source, federation-based communities are more Capitalist than Marxist. Having managers does not make something Capitalist, lol.

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          And Stallman was the person that invented FOSS, and he’s stated over and over he was not following any type of Communist principles. In fact FOSS programmers explicitly retain private property rights of software. It’s how they enforce the share alike clauses. If FOSS was built on some type of Communist principles it wouldn’t allow the bourgeois to build billion dollar enterprises on software they pay the writers nothing for.

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              I will add though that FOSS principles do tend to align more closely with the principles of non-commodification, collaboration, voluntary contribution, community-ownership, and free access to knowledge, which “can be” associated with socialist or Marxist ideals.

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              Lemmy is not based Communist principles is what I’m arguing please read. It’s not based on Communist principals because Reddit nor FOSS were which is the architecture Lemmy copied.

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                Lemmy is based on Communist principles, the devs have stated as much. The fact that others use similar underlying principles does not change why Lemmy was developed in the manner it has been.

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          It does EL-0-L when the managers do not answer to users who create the actual value. And surprise surprise you have widespread complaints about heavy handed censorship on tankie run instances on anything that hurts their feelings.

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            When the users can create their own instances or even fork the entire project for free, the dynamic is different. Plus, calling discussion “value” is kinda goofy.

            Lemmy.world has censorship too, just see return2ozma’s recent ban for criticizing Biden and not posting pro-Biden content as well, literally admitted by the admin in an official post.

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              This is such a typical liberal answer. The value isn’t just created by the users’ post but by the collective network effect of all the users being in one place. That is not replicated when a new instance is created. Tankies know this which is why they’re acting like old Reddit mods with retaliatory style moderation.

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                  I have read Marx, unlike you who’s just learned about Lenin through memes.

                  The network effect is a commodity. That’s why X and Facebook fight for users and put them in walled gardens.

                  Their valuations are based engagement. The most powerful and successful capitalist enterprises in history are all social media companies but okay discussion isn’t a commodity. How myopic can you be.

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          Explain how Free and Open Source, federation-based communities are more Capitalist than Marxist.

          The ability to choose what platform to use seems closer to the principle of voluntary exchange than to authoritatianism.

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        If anything Lemmy is closer to a classic capitalist structure with the communities being owned by the admin (boss).

        Personally, I like to think of instances as countries, where federation and defederation is akin to trade policies across the borders, and communities are like regional/state governments.