• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    5 months ago

    One small country in the middle of the ocean is a ‘blanket ban on Israeli travel?’

    Banning someone from your resort island is the same sort of punishment of civilians as killing them?

    The state of discourse indeed…

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      Banning someone from your resort island is the same sort of punishment of civilians as killing them?

      It actually is the same sort of punishment, yeah - the difference is one of degree. Kicking you in the shin once and punching you in the face fifty times are both “assault”. It’s concerning that most here don’t understand that.

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        You still haven’t addressed that ‘blanket ban’ thing you said. After lamenting the poor quality of discourse.

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          5 months ago

          I like how you completely dodged what I just said. What is there to address about the blanket ban? A country is banning all travel from another country. It doesn’t get more “blanket” than that.

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            Ah, and now the dishonesty. That is not what people mean when they say a blanket ban on travel and I’m sure you’re not stupid, so you know that.

            There’s a reason that the AP article linked above doesn’t use that term in this case.

            What is there to address about the blanket ban?

            I don’t know, how about something like, “okay, I didn’t mean ‘blanket ban,’ that was wrong of me.”

            But, of course, this is the internet and admitting your wrong is the worst thing ever, so I won’t be holding my breath.

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              5 months ago

              Haha what? They’re banning all Israeli passport holders. Do you have some special definition of “blanket ban” that you manipulate to suit your purposes?

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                  5 months ago

                  Uhh yeah OK, congrats on winning this argument based on your made-up definition of “blanket ban”. Go ahead and celebrate with Donald Trump, who wanted to enact the same against muslim-majority coountries.

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      5 months ago

      Banning someone from your resort island is the same sort of punishment of civilians as killing them?

      No, but punishing population for the actions of their government is always bad, always unacceptable, and specially when the country isn’t even democratic like Israel never was. For one thing - this ban does not only affect Israelis, but also 2 millions of Palestinians who live in Israel proper. Wikipedia - Demographics of Israel

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        And yet your post implied some sort of equivalency.

        Also, I notice you didn’t say anything about the “blanket ban” part.

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          And yet your post implied some sort of equivalency.

          Equivalency - I have to confess English isn’t my first language and I am not sure I understand what you mean specifically/ in what context. Would you please care to explain?

          As for the blanket ban - while it wasn’t my comment, I don’t find it unreasonable - how would you describe a rule advertised as punishing extremist Zionism that also punishes both post Zionists and anti Zionists all the same?