Not really. Occasionally I see someone in the comments saying that they can’t reach the person they’ve been paying to teach them their crazy ways anymore, or that they can’t find anyone who has made the coupon process work, but beyond that they seem to just persist in their crazy.
IMO if/when people snap out of it they just fade away and don’t post about it. We all have our pride. These people were convinced they were so much smarter than everyone else, that’s a tough pill to swallow. The same thing happens with cults and political beliefs. That’s why I try to keep things light hearted and civil when debating politics. Leave wiggle room for people to come around. It’s not about humiliating them, it’s about seeing the light
I think many eventually do realize they’ve been burned and just stop showing up in these forums/groups. But you don’t hear from them, just the diehards who are too deep into it and too dim to ever pick up on the fact that the SovCit movement is baseless nonsense no matter how often they’re confronted with evidence of these little magical loopholes failing to work.
Exactly what I was going to say. They go all-in on the Sovereign Citizen nonsense, it fails massively for them, multiple times, every single official response is “that’s not a thing”, so they… continue to ask the sovcit community for more advice!? Like, come on…
I have seen a news report where they interviewed a young woman who was in a whole bunch of debt due to being sovcit and regretted it all. Her story was she was basically living a normal life, till her husband lost his job. When he couldn’t find a new job and was living on welfare, he turned to sovcit. They could simply stop paying their mortgage and other bills and use all the tricks of the sovcits on Facebook to get by. This way he wouldn’t need a job anymore.
His wife went along with it, not really understanding it, but trusting her husband.
Obviously this didn’t end up well for either of them and the wife divorced the husband after finding out all of it was bullshit. They lost their home and had huge debts. Luckily because the woman was in a European country, the government sent someone to help her out. They helped her to consolidate all the different loans into a single loan, except for debts in relation to taxes. For the taxes a generous payment plan was provided, giving the woman a chance at a normal life instead of destroying her. The singular loan with the bank had a mortgage style payment plan, which was manageable even at a relatively low income level. She also was eligible for public housing and had a small apartment to live in.
It was unclear where the husband was, he was gone and assumed out of the country. Because they were married he left a lot of the debt for the wife to clean up.
It was really a very sad story and the woman was filled with regret. If she hadn’t lived in a forgiving country, she would have had a bad ending. Not that she didn’t have one anyway, but it could have been so much worse.
One of these sovcits, Chris Hauser, has a FB group I’m in where he was selling people his various nonsense, and now he literally is doing time but none of them believe it and can’t understand why he won’t answer their messages anymore.
OP, have you ever seen a post saying “none of this works, you lied to me”?
It amazes me this lot never seem to come to the realisation none of this works.
Not really. Occasionally I see someone in the comments saying that they can’t reach the person they’ve been paying to teach them their crazy ways anymore, or that they can’t find anyone who has made the coupon process work, but beyond that they seem to just persist in their crazy.
Otherwise known as the sunk cost fallacy.
https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/
I think technically he’s describing survivorship bias - the ones who fail out - fail out so hard they disappear (jail)
Good point. In fact, it’s a bit of both. It’s a survivorship bias, but it explains the survivorship.
Sunk survivor falias.
IMO if/when people snap out of it they just fade away and don’t post about it. We all have our pride. These people were convinced they were so much smarter than everyone else, that’s a tough pill to swallow. The same thing happens with cults and political beliefs. That’s why I try to keep things light hearted and civil when debating politics. Leave wiggle room for people to come around. It’s not about humiliating them, it’s about seeing the light
I was actually sitting here wondering the same thing. There’s plenty of evidence that none of this works yet they keep truckin’ along.
I think many eventually do realize they’ve been burned and just stop showing up in these forums/groups. But you don’t hear from them, just the diehards who are too deep into it and too dim to ever pick up on the fact that the SovCit movement is baseless nonsense no matter how often they’re confronted with evidence of these little magical loopholes failing to work.
That’s exactly it, the ones that lose faith just quietly leave most likely. I’d have expected a few to make a dramatic exit though.
Exactly what I was going to say. They go all-in on the Sovereign Citizen nonsense, it fails massively for them, multiple times, every single official response is “that’s not a thing”, so they… continue to ask the sovcit community for more advice!? Like, come on…
I have seen a news report where they interviewed a young woman who was in a whole bunch of debt due to being sovcit and regretted it all. Her story was she was basically living a normal life, till her husband lost his job. When he couldn’t find a new job and was living on welfare, he turned to sovcit. They could simply stop paying their mortgage and other bills and use all the tricks of the sovcits on Facebook to get by. This way he wouldn’t need a job anymore. His wife went along with it, not really understanding it, but trusting her husband.
Obviously this didn’t end up well for either of them and the wife divorced the husband after finding out all of it was bullshit. They lost their home and had huge debts. Luckily because the woman was in a European country, the government sent someone to help her out. They helped her to consolidate all the different loans into a single loan, except for debts in relation to taxes. For the taxes a generous payment plan was provided, giving the woman a chance at a normal life instead of destroying her. The singular loan with the bank had a mortgage style payment plan, which was manageable even at a relatively low income level. She also was eligible for public housing and had a small apartment to live in. It was unclear where the husband was, he was gone and assumed out of the country. Because they were married he left a lot of the debt for the wife to clean up.
It was really a very sad story and the woman was filled with regret. If she hadn’t lived in a forgiving country, she would have had a bad ending. Not that she didn’t have one anyway, but it could have been so much worse.
Hard to post from prison after all your stuff has been seized by the state.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/05/08/five-sovereign-citizens-convicted-fraud-tennessee
One of these sovcits, Chris Hauser, has a FB group I’m in where he was selling people his various nonsense, and now he literally is doing time but none of them believe it and can’t understand why he won’t answer their messages anymore.
Damn, they’re not fucking around.
The courts are very intolerant of sovcits and paper terrorism now.
People get less than that for murder where I live.
By the time you fall for this kind of nonsense, you already have to be well and truly beyond redemption.