• RadicalEagle@lemmy.world
      30·
      9 months ago

      I think you can “love” someone without tolerating their nonsense. It’s all about being willing to find a consensual way of interacting. Theoretically it may be impossible, but we can still try.

      • greenskye@lemm.eeEnglish
        12·
        9 months ago

        Ironically this is the whole ‘love the sinner, not the sin’ bit that Christians love to use to excuse their own intolerance.

        • RadicalEagle@lemmy.world
          4·
          9 months ago

          Yeah, I think a lot of modern Christians are unaware of how masochistic and sadistic they really are. They get so hung up on the idea that they have a “get out of jail free” card that it justifies all the rest of their behavior, even when that behavior is explicitly called out in their manual lol

      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
        2·
        9 months ago

        I have an ex who cheated on me. I’m not holding on to anger about it, I do honestly hope they’ve found happiness, but I want nothing to do with them again and if they showed up at my door I would tell them to leave.

    • Ephera@lemmy.ml
      271·
      9 months ago

      Yeah, the paradox of tolerance.

      My favorite solution that I’ve heard, is to treat tolerance not as a moral imperative, but rather as a social contract.
      Anyone who is tolerant will have tolerance extended to them. Those who are intolerant, on the other hand, can fuck right off.

      • LwL@lemmy.world
        6·
        9 months ago

        Yes, I’ve never really seen the paradox as a paradox for that reason. The question, rather, should be what precisely we require from the social contract. The old question of “where is the line at which point my freedom impacts your freedom”. But no matter where that line is, it means that if someone spews hate, you’re allowed to respond in kind

        (Morally, that is. If it’s covered by law then legally it should be handled through the justice system and responding in kind would fall under vigilante justice)

      • Drewelite@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        The way I practice it is that everyone gets a basic level of tolerance. Free speech, basic human rights, and a low level of respect and decency. But until you treat others the same there will be a social friction wherever you go and eventually a hard line. Like, no, we don’t want you in here if you’re just going to be an asshole everyday. Come back in a week and we’ll see if you’ve learned some self-control.

      • Manmoth@lemmy.ml
        1·
        9 months ago

        Secularly everything has to be a social contract because there is no moral authority.

      • MonkderDritte@feddit.de
        21·
        9 months ago

        They did that in east europe (fucking off), founded ISIS, flooded an area with drugs and overran it.

        • Drewelite@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          Yeah the Internet has insulated people from how a society works. They can “fuck off”… to where? Somewhere they’ll still vote and encourage people to follow their example? Somewhere without people telling them they’re wrong where they can become more and more extreme?

          It’s like prison. Yeah let’s take all the people that have a proclivity for crime and put them together. Then teach them to obey the system by using it to punish and traumatize them. After all, they deserve it. They’ll realize that, any day now.

      • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
        12·
        9 months ago

        No I’m pretty sure its more about telling them everything that sucks about them is totally fine and even good actually.

        • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
          11·
          9 months ago

          It’s been 2000 years, how have we not gotten the hang of this already

          • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
            1·
            9 months ago

            Pretty sure love is more than 2000 years old.

            Unless you believe in incredibly-young-earth creationism, where the OP and all your memories older than dinner last night are just a lie planted here by god to trick us into thinking the world is more than 16 hours old.

        • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
          2·
          9 months ago

          He and Kevin Conroy retired the voices of Bats and Joker but came back several times. They retired after Arkham Asylum and came back for Arkham Knight (Origin had different VAs), and they both came back for Killing Joke as well, and their final act together was the Crisis trilogy. The last part is expected to release this year, so we have one last adventure with Kevin’s Batman.

          After Kevin’s death I think the retirement may stick for Hamill. He’s said before that he wouldn’t do Joker without Conroy.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
      1·
      9 months ago

      All monarchies are illegitimate, the warring nobles will not spared from the guillotine just because they look good in a leather loincloth and someone gave them a magic sword