• ccdfa@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      86
      ·
      7 months ago

      I can’t find it now, but there was that one text post that went something like “1. Copying a movie costs the studio money, 2. Download a movie, 3. Make 1000 copies, 4. Studio goes bankrupt”

      • maynarkh@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        46
        ·
        7 months ago

        I saw one where it went:

        • Publish a copyrighted work
        • Sell it for 10 bucks
        • Have a friend pirate it 100 million times
        • Declare bankruptcy
        • Have the friend delete his copies
        • You’re a billionaire now
    • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      Trolls ripped me a new one for saying that. I hope they wont do the same to you. But yes I agree.

      • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        55
        ·
        7 months ago

        “Theft” has a legal definition that at least in my jurisdiction is not met by downloading copyrighted materials. So, no, copying is not stealing.

          • Aceticon@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            23
            ·
            7 months ago

            It’s legally called “Copyright Infrigement” and it’s not even part of Criminal Law in most Legal Jurisdictions, unlike Theft.

            You’re talking off your arse so hard that by now you must hovering on your own farts.

          • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            14
            ·
            edit-2
            7 months ago

            You are wrong. You are talking about copyright infringement, which is a civil matter and not a criminal one. That means the party whose rights have been infringed must prove that and sue you. But you won’t go to jail if convicted, you’ll have to pay damages. That’s why the Netherlands, for example, used to be safe for torrenting. It wasn’t legal, but copyright holders did not have the right to get account details from providers for IP addresses that were caught sharing content (sharing, not downloading) and thus had no one to sue. If it were a criminal matter, the state would be after you and they have a lot more rights.

      • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        36
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        In this case, the phrase’s become more popular because people buy digital goods and, due to business shenanigans, they lose access to it, like buying a digital copy of a movie, “owning it”, then no longer being able to access it because Sony couldn’t be arsed to get the rights sorted out.

        There’s also the numerous situations where you can’t legally own media, simply because it’s not up for sale, like the vast majority of content on streaming sites. There’s no way to own and consume some media except through the provider. It’s still illegal, it’s still an unauthorized copy, but in this case, it’s the only way to “own” something.

          • Aceticon@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            19
            ·
            edit-2
            7 months ago

            By that definition making coffee at home and taking it with you to work instead of buying is theft.

            Even further anytime you make a product or do a service yourself or get a free alternative (for example, open source software instead of a close-source alternative) instead of buying would be theft by that definition.

            That’s not the legal definition of “theft”, it’s not even the historical or common sense definition of “theft”, it’s some kind of neo-Capitalist Dystopia definition of “theft” that only makes sense if you’re starting from a foundation of there being a “right to make money”.

            • Jojo@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              8
              ·
              7 months ago

              How dare you cook dinner for yourself when McDonald’s is right there? How will the franchise owners or the brand owners be able to buy meals for their children!?

          • Kedly@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            12
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            7 months ago

            Look man, I get that piracy isnt an ethically clean solution, but the current state of legal digital media is nowhere near ethically clean either, and I’m far more likely to root for a person than I am for a corporation. Especially since its because of corporations that the digital ownership sphere is so fucked

      • 018118055@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        31
        ·
        edit-2
        7 months ago

        I will gladly take a position of moral superiority, because copyright has evolved from a very limited monopoly, intended to encourage creativity while balancing public access, into a licence for corporations to seek rent.

        So, call it stealing if you like, I will sleep well tonight regardless.

          • 018118055@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            21
            ·
            7 months ago

            The only theft going on is the ongoing theft from the public domain, due to corruption of copyright law by special interests enabled by law for hire. Your analogy is irrelevant as the marginal cost of operating a park for an extra visitor is not zero.

          • ShepherdPie@midwest.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            18
            ·
            7 months ago

            It’s like refusing to pay the $20 park entrance fee and then making your own copy of the park in your backyard. Is that stealing $20 from the park?

            • Jojo@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              7 months ago

              I mean it’s still possibly copyright and/or trademark infringement, but…

          • Iamdanno@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            18
            ·
            7 months ago

            He didn’t take the movie/music from them. They still have it. It still exists on their tape/film/drive. If you are going to argue, at least argue in good faith, with words that mean what you are trying to say.

      • Jarix@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        18
        ·
        7 months ago

        It’s not stealing unless you delete the original when you download it. It’s forgery at best