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Israeli officials say that everywhere Hamas terrorists struck — the rave, the military bases along the Gaza border and the kibbutzim — they brutalized women.
A two-month investigation by The Times uncovered painful new details, establishing that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7.
Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.
Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway where Ms. Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road at a third location.
And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.
Many of the accounts are difficult to bear, and the visual evidence is disturbing to see.
The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.
The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.
“This is probably propaganda from the IDF”
“These videos from Hamas show no rapes happened, therefore none occurred”
You need to apply the standard equally. And also recognize that YouTube links are about the least credible source possible.
What video from Hamas? Did you click the video I linked? You clearly didn’t because it couldn’t be as credible as a Zionist propaganda outlets like the Time Of Israel.
The videos from the IDF show that no rape occurred. Not from Hamas.
The IDF is the party that needs to provide evidence of their accusation. I’m not sure why you are even bringing up Hamas. Hamas denying anything is irrelevant if the IDF would provide proof. The small problem is that there is no proof which means that it didn’t happen.
Look, you may believe the New York Times carries water for Israel, but you do no favors by calling it “The Time of Israel”. Especially since the Times of Israel is its own publication I believe.
Over the course of my education I took some classes on journalism, and the NYT was the gold standard. Does that mean I believe them unquestionably? No, but they’ve built up a reputation for honest reporting, and when they fail to do so – like with Iraq – they openly own up to it. That said, I have far more scrutiny with this conflict.
So yes, a random YouTube channel is less credible. You should also know better than to leave video links in a discussion about rape without explicitly saying if the video has triggers or not. I would not like to see a rape, and so I don’t trust mysterious video links. A leftist should understand that very well.
You said these were CC videos of Hamas and GoPro footage. I think you can understand why I thought they were from Hamas, and in a way, they are. I take it they were recovered by the IDF and then presented?
When a woman says she’s raped, I believe her. When there’s uncertainty, I believe her claim is in good faith but I want to know about investigations into it. It’s disappointing to see how quickly you assume these women are lying because it inconveniences your political beliefs. If you only believe women when it fits your narrative, you’re not a feminist. And frankly, if a leftist isn’t a feminist, then they aren’t a leftist.
Hamas clearly didn’t weaponize sexual violence as the title states. This directly proves that the article is propaganda. Hamas policy is very clearly against rape and all the female hostages that were released have confirmed to this. Surely if this was a “weaponized” tool of war every single female would have been mass raped in captivity. Instead Hamas has shown to be far more humane captors than israel.
I assume the witnesses lying because of all the insane baseless accusations that were lied about. The lying has a goal: dehumanizing Palestinians so the IDF Nazis can commit genocide. If there is no evidence it didn’t happen. The IDF lies about 40 beheaded burnt babies. Which is wayyyy worse than rape. NYT just repeats the propaganda. Just think about how bad that sounded two months ago instead of now knowing it is a lie.
40 babies. Beheaded. And then burned. The IDF is willing to lie about literally everything. Your “liberal feminism” would be just as irrelevant if Adolf Hitler made up accusations as an argument to mow down the Jews.
The attack helicopter that mowed down people at the festival. The tanks and missles shelling the Kibbutzes and the IDF then claiming that Hamas burnt those bodies while they themselves did it. assume they are lying because of all the insane baseless accusations that were lied about.
I refuse to believe any witness testimony from the israeli side when they themselves cannot provide any evidence.
Thanks for all the confirmations. It’s clear that any counterargument by me would be a waste of both of our times, so I’ll leave it here. Your comment does a wonderful job of showing your beliefs on its own.