Actually, nobody goes to heaven when they die (according to the bible). Everyone must wait until judgement day when all the graves, etc, open and we all face judgement at that point. This surprised me when I first learned it because it goes against all the Christian culture I’ve ever been taught and experienced.

So grandma isn’t currently in heaven no matter how good she was.

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Thats a pretty sophisticated bit of analysis, particularly for Lemmy.

I still find it amazing that the vote will be as close as it undoubtedly will become. I mean, Trump is not only for himself, but he is also plainly destructive. He’s now touting the low-information ‘Joe Rogan vote’. Young white guys who haven’t been following anything.

This subsequent post of yours is more substantial in explaining your position and I generally agree with all of your points.

My post was with the absurdist position that critiquing the Biden performance around the time of the last debate made you an enemy of progressive politics. Joe had fired his last good shot in 2016. He’s a good man, a heroic fighter for his age but Trump was always going to steamroll him this time. It doesn’t matter that Joe had a cold, or that he sometimes made excellent policy points, the optics were that he was meandering and frail. It wasn’t that the debate done him in by itself - Obama sometimes had a bad debate (particularly his first one) it was that his performance on the night confirmed what was evident for months. By the time Joe started arguing with Trump about who could beat who in golf the jig was up.

Despite Trump’s own senior moments, despite his atrocious behaviour, despite his obvious lies, the feeling was Joe is doomed. And so was the most important election since last time, and that says a lot. The fact that it is not impossible that he still won’t get in again is beyond worrying. But with Harris there is a decent chance.

I hope that clears up my position? It was more a vent against all those who insisted that we ride the Joe bus over the cliff and disbelieve our own eyes while we did it.

I think that your metrics for picking covert Trumpers based upon that appaling debate is incorrect and simplistic. I watched every second of that shit show and believed that we were doomed for another 4 years of the orange turd.

Trump lied during the debate. Some estimates were that he lied upwards of 250 times in his 45 minutes at the mic. Those numbers seems off, but who knows? I don’t know the true figure, but it was insane. However, it is also not the fucking point. Trump is a serial liar. He lies to his family, he lies to the people, he lies to the courts, he lies non-stop. He would have lied if Biden performed outstandingly in the debate. He would have lied if Biden put in a middling performance. And, he lied when Biden performed badly. Are we supposed to be clutching our pearls in shock that Trump lied?

So, we can’t judge Biden’s terrible performance by the ‘other guy’. We need to judge whether Biden could win in November. And if you had of watched all 90 minutes, like I did, there was zero confidence that he could. The GOP campaign would have portrayed Biden’s lost moments a million times, over and over and over again. And they’d be stupid not to. And yes, Trump lied in the debate. Let’s try and turn the broken bus around on the seemingly new information that a serial liar lied on stage.

The proof of this was the instant jump in the polls once Harris became the candidate and the growing support since. Is the argument that all these covert GOP critics suddenly turned Dems? Or, perhaps, changing to Haris was the sensible thing to do, and perhaps, just might keep the orange turd out of the white house.

American Caesar.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Caesar

Nevermind.

It seemed to go pearshape right from the very beginning.

I just get tired from angry posts all the fricken time. People have opinions you don’t agree with. People get stuff wrong sometimes. I posted something wrong by mistake yesterday and someone corrected me and I withdrew it. No biggie.

Block, don’t block, I don’t care. People should just relax a bit. Hulking out over the most ridiculous points is insane and not good for one’s mental health.

Yet another example of unnecessary hostility? Just disagree, for God’s sake. I’m not really sure what the actual argument is about, just chill.

I’ve been an internet user since 1994, and I can tell you this. Unnecessary hostility like this has always a thing from the very beginning. Even if the OP made a mistake, not saying that he did, why be a dick about it? Just add to the information pile.

That’s my PSA.

Oh Nos! Anyway…

I’ve been watching the big powers veto sensible UN measures for decades. The US does it, Russia and China does it, it’s a game to them. Waste of time finger-pointing, veto power is bullshit. It sez the rules don’t apply to anyone in the nuke club.

To me, making political appointments for the judiciary always made this a possibility. It happened in the old days, and it might happen again. And it did.

I was there at the birth of the interwebs, also a very early adopter. Still, I never considered it to be a force multiplier for stupidity in the way things worked out. I went the other way, believing that it would harness humanity’s genius.

I tend to be wrong a lot.