Bobr

Start of the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Now I have to worry every day that people I know (who have not managed to escape Ukraine) will either get killed by a Russian rocket or will get kidnapped from the streets by Ukrainian “recruitment officers”.

Why is Telegram “insane”?

Left-wingers identify nearly everyone who doesn’t agree with them or doesn’t share their delusions as “right-wing extremists”.

The existence of this post (and its title in particular) might give you a clue…

What do you mean Ukraine won’t accept them?
Trump’s promise was to

• Tell Putin that if he refuses to negotiate they will send much more weapons to Ukraine (isn’t that what you want btw?).
• Tell Zelensky that if he refuses to negotiate they will stop all weapon supplies.

If there won’t be weapon supplies, Zelensky will finally be forced to accept peace. Additionally he will lose his only reason for staying in power, and there will finally be elections in Ukraine.

Well, you are right, there is no reason to believe him or any other politician.
But dems openly say that they will continue the war, and Trump at least promises to end it. So you know, with Trump there is at least a chance for peace, while with whatever Dem candidate there will be - the chance is zero.

So, what exactly are you trying to say?

I though the narrative ‘if you are a Jew you can’t be a nazi’ stopped after the events in Gaza, where people (left leaning people I think) accuse Netanyahu of being new Hitler and Israel of genocide or something like that, or do we still use it?

I didn’t bring it into the discussion, but sure, let’s talk about it :)

What is your opinion on Azov brigade? Are those guys cool and not nazis? What about Ukrainian government (and Zelensky in particular) endorsing them (by publicly posting photos with them for example, etc.)?

What is your opinion on Stepan Bandera, that cool guy and totally not nazi who fought for Ukrainian independence, and who is being glorified in Ukraine and after whom streets are renamed?

Those two are just the most famous examples :)

I care about people (including my friends and family) not dying.

but wouldn’t the US surrendering Ukraine result in the erasure and eradication of Ukrainian culture.

Why would it? Trump did not promise to “surrender Ukraine”, he promised to force both sides to negotiate and end the war. I don’t think those negotiations would include whole Ukraine becoming Russia, do you think so? Most likely scenario is that the current front lines become the new borders, and most of the lost territories (Lugansk, Doneck, Crimea) don’t really have " Ukrainian culture" they are mostly Russian speaking. It’s a little bit different with Kherson and Zaporizhzhya but they still don’t have nearly as much “Ukrainian culture” as western Ukraine.

His promise to end the war in Ukraine, thus saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
Seems like a good reason to me :)

That’s a good question :)

If it’s “going back to live there” - then almost definitely no.

If it’s “going back temporarily” - then I don’t know.

I neither have any property there nor I feel strong “connection” to it , so the only reason for me to go there is to visit my family/friends, but I hope they will be able to visit me instead.

It mostly depends on whether I’ll be able to go there without repercussions.

Thanks.

I am… not exactly sure actually.
I had to register with “draft office” before I left the country, so they definitely know about me.
Probably I’m not considered a criminal for now, as members of my family who are still in Ukraine did not receive a “draft notice” addressed to me. If they do ever receive it though, then probably I’ll be considered a criminal shortly after (because obviously I am not going to answer it).
I don’t closely follow the new laws they pass though… Maybe I am already a criminal because I didn’t update my data with the “draft office” or something 🤷‍♂

As a Ukrainian, I can’t even imagine ever dodging a bigger bullet than when I left Ukraine before the war started…

If I had stayed there I’d have to either constantly hide from the “draft officers” or risk my life trying to either (of course illegally) cross the border to Romania through mountains/rivers or to the occupied territorries. Or I’d just be dead already from a shell…

Literally life versus death decision.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m talking about, advocating for saving innocent people’s lives is being “twisted shitfuck”.

Surely those who say that are the good guys :)

Eh, how fucked up this is…

People who support war, support killing/wounding hundreds of thousands of innocent people somehow really think they are the good guys, and call those who oppose war, killings and suffering “sick”…

What the actual fuck…

Negotiations are the only realistic way to end the war, and this is exactly what Trump is saying he will do - force both sides to negotiate.
I don’t really care who it is “appeasing”, I want people stop being murdered.

Nah, I’m just happy that people there might stop being massacred.
Now I know that’s not a popular opinion for the last two years, and everybody thinks it’s OK and every Ukrainian should die, but I still think killing people who done you no harm is not okay.

The slaughter would just be put on pause, but would last longer and become more dangerous in 2 years time.

This may or may not happen, nobody can predict the future.
That’s why I said “there will be a slight chance”.
With Biden the war will go on for who knows how much time, hundreds of thousands if not millions more people will die for sure and the chance for peace in the foreseeable future is 0. With Trump it’s >0. So I sure hope he will win.

… Palestine/Israel …

That’s a topic for another discussion really… Both candidates will probably continue that war, but one will also continue the war in Ukraine, while another one promises to finish it.