I’ve never been an incel but I’ve always sympathised because I feel like I easily could have become one. Seeing a therapist and learning the basics of Cognitive Bias Therapy is what I attribute to helping me out of a lot of those ‘thought loops’.

It’s nice hearing stories about people who’ve escaped it.

I can respect that. I was once where you are and one day I just decided I couldn’t justify it anymore. Now I only eat sticks and moss.

But if you wanna try making some vegan food my advice is just don’t overthink it, make some pasta and just pan fry some veggies you like and mix 'em through with some olive oil. It’s always a tasty time.

That’s probably smart. Even with important things I don’t think online arguments have ever swayed anyone. I like being an annoying vegan and arguing about it occasionally, but sometimes it’s just frustrating and I have to disconnect for a while.

That’s not what I was trying to say. I was specifically referring to you talking about how animals treat each other.

I don’t want anyone to suffer which is why I have mixed feelings about this.

edit: actually go fuck yourself, I don’t care, you’ve continuously put words in my mouth and obviously don’t care about having a reasonable conversation.

I literally don’t even know what you’re trying to say, I haven’t cast any judgements or told anyone to do anything. Get off your soapbox.

I don’t care how they treat each other, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. And I’m not labelling anyone here, I just said I had mixed feelings about it.

They might get better treatment in these cases but I don’t think it would be different. I’m vegan if that helps understand my point of view.

I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand that’s pretty interesting and like, hurray for saving lives. But on the other hand it seems kind of incredibly messed up to raise animals as sacrificial organ sacks.

That part I understand, no more formaldehyde and brains in the milk. It’s more the industry fighting against the term being used for alternative milks which should have their own standards associated with them. Coconut milk and cream have existed for ages and nobody cares. But my (dairy farmer) family all of a sudden have really strong opinions on using the term milk for alternative milks. Or other generic terms being used for vegan products like mince, sausage, burger, steak. All of these things typically have a word in front to describe what they’re made of, but for some reason certain people get real worked up when that word is ‘vegetable’.

Stuff like this is so silly. I understand having rules around how things are named, nobody wants to be misled about what they’re buying. But were cow juice enthusiasts really getting tricked into buying soy juice? Do we have to specify the animal? Can I sell rat milk as ‘milk’ and they’d be ok? What’s the difference between that and oat milk? So long as the origin of the milk is clear I really don’t see the issue.

Obviously I know it’s just dairy industry deep pockets doing what they can to remain #1 but it’s just so silly.

I’ve always had a soft spot for the album Medulla by Bjork. If I’m not mistaken it was made entirely with mouth sounds. Has a really unique feeling to it.

Yeah, so much US content gets geoblocked here. It’s super weird, just a random clip from a show on youtube? woops, looks like that content isn’t available in your country.

I’m glad that nowadays we mistreat animals and let them live horrific lives in their own waste in a way that doesn’t kill human babies specifically.

Woo boy that’s disgusting.

it may be hard to believe but womens rights have been progressing steadily. link

Don’t get me wrong, there’s a long long way to go, but I’m glad they at least seem to be heading in a positive direction.

I could be wrong but I thought this was also how UBI would be implemented? It would just be a safety net for those without employment?

Edit: I just googled it and I am indeed wrong. What I was thinking of is called a guaranteed minimum income. That makes a bit more sense to me than a UBI, but if it wasn’t apparent I’m obviously not well read on the topics.

Yeah, I think this one’s on me haha, I don’t think I came across right.

I’m vegan btw so I’m right there with you. I’m just curious about why people seem to like some raw meat but not others, even if there was little chance of salmonella. Everyone just kept telling me that you’d get salmonella for some reason.

I very much understand the food safety concerns. You, apparently accidentally, answered my question when you said you wouldn’t be opposed to trying it under a controlled setting. Thanks. Literally all I was asking about.

Finally, an answer that makes sense. Fair enough.