I think the part that blows my mind is “who will pay for your product if no one has a job or money?” Part. It’s like they’re so stupidly blinded by their greed they can’t put it together
Money doesnt mean anything to them. I will never forget what Elon said when he was told that Disney and other companies were pulling their accounts off Twitter due to the rampant Nazism of its base. He just was shocked and said ‘you’re trying to blackmail me with money? Go fuck yourself’. He outright said go fuck yourself, but I don’t remember exactly what he said before, but it was to that effect.
It is entirely about who controls what. Again, Musk lost his shit recently when Trump threatened to start giving NASA contracts to do stuff to replace what SpaceX is doing. Money isn’t the matter, it is controlling the levers of society.
I think the part that blows my mind is “who will pay for your product if no one has a job or money?” Part. It’s like they’re so stupidly blinded by their greed they can’t put it together
It’s so much worse than that. The top 10% are already currently responsible for the absolute majority of all goods and services consumed in the country. Just imagine that share growing and growing. And imagine that 10% number shrinking. The people who own the bots and all the natural resources trade bot-produced goods and services to each other. Industrial civilization continues on, but only producing goods and services for the top few percent of the population. Everyone else becomes homeless, completely shut out of the economy. Rebellion is suppressed by robotic security forces and automated mass produced propaganda. What little employment does remain are roles that the wealthy would prefer an actual human perform, like childcare, sex work, and child sex work.
Alternatively, if they’re feeling generous or not confident in robot security guards, the wealthy will take the approach used in Manna by the late great Marshall Brain. There, the wealthy owners of the robots don’t let people starve. The wealthy in the US build giant cheap government dormitories, enough to house hundreds of millions. They’re built, maintained, cleaned, etc entirely automatically. Food is produced in automated kitchens, and plenty of AI slop entertainment is available to occupy the time of residents. Vagrancy laws are harshly enforced. So if you don’t have employment or independent wealth, you’re forced to live in one of these vast human warehouses. Imagine college dorm rooms. Imagine sharing a space that size with someone indefinitely. And imagine a single building with a hundred thousand people living in spaces that size, all in tiny windowless rooms. That was the standard of living. Or really, a clean well-maintained prison cell. The rich threw the poor into vast complexes of cheaply built and run government dormitories. And you were only allowed to leave if you could prove an offer of employment or if someone on the outside was willing to accept financial responsibility for you.
And birth control was added to the food supply. So the wealthy didn’t plan on having to maintain this state forever.
In my opinion, every AI “worker”, should have to be paid …maybe half minimum wage, and that wage, goes into a universal income fund to be dispersed to the citizens directly. Adjust “half”, for how much pressure needs to be applied to corporations…
Maybe laws adjusted so the amount of work AI does would be on-par with how much a person could…and then billed as such.
The definition of “worker” loses all meaning in this context. Once you divorce the human from the worker, it becomes impossible to define what a worker is. A better approach would be to an industrial computing tax. Put a tax on computing. You have to pay a per-calculation tax on all compute over a certain amount. And you set that amount high enough that unless you’re running giant data centers, then you have no need to worry about.
You have to tax something that they are doing that an individual is not. If you tax “all compute” then they’re just gonna pull the same shit they do with straws and blame the individual.
You have to tax the action that is replacing a human worker. If a human job is displaced, it gets taxed. Want to AI generate some massive image through prompts? How much would it take a human to complete the job? Take some % of that, and charge it. Play it somewhere along the lines of “Intelligence deserves pay”, and since it’s artificial intelligence - it doesn’t have rights to spend its own pay (or the need to) so put it into a universal income fund.
We’re reaching a post-scarcity society now. We should be making lives easier for everyone.
You ignored the part where you only tax compute over a certain threshold. We have all sorts of taxes and regulations that apply only once you a certain scale.
There’s all sorts of reasons taxing all compute over a certain threshold is stupid. I ignored it because it’s ignorant of the facts at hand.
At one point or another, compute was scaling exponentially for customers - one day that might begin to happen again. Laws move slowly - and will stupidly end up at a point where the average joe has that level of compute in his phone. Congrats, now you’ve decided to tax everyone because of “compute over a certain threshold”.
I think the part that blows my mind is “who will pay for your product if no one has a job or money?” Part. It’s like they’re so stupidly blinded by their greed they can’t put it together
Money doesnt mean anything to them. I will never forget what Elon said when he was told that Disney and other companies were pulling their accounts off Twitter due to the rampant Nazism of its base. He just was shocked and said ‘you’re trying to blackmail me with money? Go fuck yourself’. He outright said go fuck yourself, but I don’t remember exactly what he said before, but it was to that effect.
It is entirely about who controls what. Again, Musk lost his shit recently when Trump threatened to start giving NASA contracts to do stuff to replace what SpaceX is doing. Money isn’t the matter, it is controlling the levers of society.
It’s so much worse than that. The top 10% are already currently responsible for the absolute majority of all goods and services consumed in the country. Just imagine that share growing and growing. And imagine that 10% number shrinking. The people who own the bots and all the natural resources trade bot-produced goods and services to each other. Industrial civilization continues on, but only producing goods and services for the top few percent of the population. Everyone else becomes homeless, completely shut out of the economy. Rebellion is suppressed by robotic security forces and automated mass produced propaganda. What little employment does remain are roles that the wealthy would prefer an actual human perform, like childcare, sex work, and child sex work.
Alternatively, if they’re feeling generous or not confident in robot security guards, the wealthy will take the approach used in Manna by the late great Marshall Brain. There, the wealthy owners of the robots don’t let people starve. The wealthy in the US build giant cheap government dormitories, enough to house hundreds of millions. They’re built, maintained, cleaned, etc entirely automatically. Food is produced in automated kitchens, and plenty of AI slop entertainment is available to occupy the time of residents. Vagrancy laws are harshly enforced. So if you don’t have employment or independent wealth, you’re forced to live in one of these vast human warehouses. Imagine college dorm rooms. Imagine sharing a space that size with someone indefinitely. And imagine a single building with a hundred thousand people living in spaces that size, all in tiny windowless rooms. That was the standard of living. Or really, a clean well-maintained prison cell. The rich threw the poor into vast complexes of cheaply built and run government dormitories. And you were only allowed to leave if you could prove an offer of employment or if someone on the outside was willing to accept financial responsibility for you.
And birth control was added to the food supply. So the wealthy didn’t plan on having to maintain this state forever.
In my opinion, every AI “worker”, should have to be paid …maybe half minimum wage, and that wage, goes into a universal income fund to be dispersed to the citizens directly. Adjust “half”, for how much pressure needs to be applied to corporations…
Maybe laws adjusted so the amount of work AI does would be on-par with how much a person could…and then billed as such.
The definition of “worker” loses all meaning in this context. Once you divorce the human from the worker, it becomes impossible to define what a worker is. A better approach would be to an industrial computing tax. Put a tax on computing. You have to pay a per-calculation tax on all compute over a certain amount. And you set that amount high enough that unless you’re running giant data centers, then you have no need to worry about.
You have to tax something that they are doing that an individual is not. If you tax “all compute” then they’re just gonna pull the same shit they do with straws and blame the individual.
You have to tax the action that is replacing a human worker. If a human job is displaced, it gets taxed. Want to AI generate some massive image through prompts? How much would it take a human to complete the job? Take some % of that, and charge it. Play it somewhere along the lines of “Intelligence deserves pay”, and since it’s artificial intelligence - it doesn’t have rights to spend its own pay (or the need to) so put it into a universal income fund.
We’re reaching a post-scarcity society now. We should be making lives easier for everyone.
You ignored the part where you only tax compute over a certain threshold. We have all sorts of taxes and regulations that apply only once you a certain scale.
There’s all sorts of reasons taxing all compute over a certain threshold is stupid. I ignored it because it’s ignorant of the facts at hand.
At one point or another, compute was scaling exponentially for customers - one day that might begin to happen again. Laws move slowly - and will stupidly end up at a point where the average joe has that level of compute in his phone. Congrats, now you’ve decided to tax everyone because of “compute over a certain threshold”.