They did the same with Germany. The US is not able to conduct independent evaluations anymore, as the authorities are more and more driven my political decisions. This makes the content of the evaluations irrelevant, their only purpose now is to use them as political instruments.
I mean, is the US really the metric you want to use? If anyone is even slightly better, even fractionally, than the US it means they’re doing fine? Seems like too low a bar to me.
As this arcticle is about the US administration condemning the human rights situation in the UK I think it is the metric that makes the most sense here.
Saying “yeah the US administration may be fascists and are conducting this assessment to push right extreme parties in Europe, but that doesn’t matter because they are right” is a very dangerous position in my opinion.
it’s not that it doesn’t matter, and no one here holds that position. it’s that “UK is fascist” is not any less true just because it’s the fascist US that said it
No one said “Compared to the US.” You added that part yourself.
It can be simultaneously true that “The UK and Germany still have a better human rights record than the US” and “The UK and Germany are really failing at upholding human rights.”
People in the UK are being arrested for saying that the genocide in Gaza is bad. People in the UK have to submit their ID or a face scan just to log in to Discord or Spotify. Trans rights are being systematically eradicated. Are you going to tell me that those are all good things as far as human rights goes?
The worst part about the dire state of human rights in the US is that it lets everyone else get away with shit like this while saying “Hey, at least we’re not those guys.” The last thing you should be doing is supporting that kind of excuse.
Coming from Trump, it’s more of a “They can do it, so why can’t we do it?” fascist whining. But West Germany remained a fascist enclave from the 1950s straight up until the 1980s. And fascists continue to riddle the police, the media, and the financial sectors to this day.
This makes the content of the evaluations irrelevant
It’s a pot calling the kettle Nazi. But it isn’t wrong.
They did the same with Germany. The US is not able to conduct independent evaluations anymore, as the authorities are more and more driven my political decisions. This makes the content of the evaluations irrelevant, their only purpose now is to use them as political instruments.
I mean thats true but this is one of the few times they are right. UK and Germany as well are really failing at upholding human rights.
Compared to the US? You are insane if you believe that.
I mean, is the US really the metric you want to use? If anyone is even slightly better, even fractionally, than the US it means they’re doing fine? Seems like too low a bar to me.
As this arcticle is about the US administration condemning the human rights situation in the UK I think it is the metric that makes the most sense here.
Saying “yeah the US administration may be fascists and are conducting this assessment to push right extreme parties in Europe, but that doesn’t matter because they are right” is a very dangerous position in my opinion.
Edit: Oh what a coincidence https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/13/world/europe/jd-vance-nigel-farage-reform-uk.html
it’s not that it doesn’t matter, and no one here holds that position. it’s that “UK is fascist” is not any less true just because it’s the fascist US that said it
No, one should not trust the US by default, but one also shouldn’t dismiss the conclusion just because the US is one of the ones who came to it.
No one said “Compared to the US.” You added that part yourself.
It can be simultaneously true that “The UK and Germany still have a better human rights record than the US” and “The UK and Germany are really failing at upholding human rights.”
People in the UK are being arrested for saying that the genocide in Gaza is bad. People in the UK have to submit their ID or a face scan just to log in to Discord or Spotify. Trans rights are being systematically eradicated. Are you going to tell me that those are all good things as far as human rights goes?
The worst part about the dire state of human rights in the US is that it lets everyone else get away with shit like this while saying “Hey, at least we’re not those guys.” The last thing you should be doing is supporting that kind of excuse.
Is this like Alabama saying they’re not so bad, because there’s always Mississippi?
We look up to you guys to be the Massachusetts
Germans murdered my family in the Nazi genocide. Now Germany is targeting me for protesting Israel’s Holocaust in Gaza.
Coming from Trump, it’s more of a “They can do it, so why can’t we do it?” fascist whining. But West Germany remained a fascist enclave from the 1950s straight up until the 1980s. And fascists continue to riddle the police, the media, and the financial sectors to this day.
It’s a pot calling the kettle Nazi. But it isn’t wrong.
I expect they’re going to do this to every country that doesn’t fall in line. The sides for WW3 are being picked