• SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
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    12 days ago

    All jokes aside, things like this are why China is beating us. I am absolutely not a fan of the Chinese government, but the simple fact is they get shit done.

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      12 days ago

      It helps that in China you can’t own land. All the land is owned by the government. You only have “use rights” and for a limited time (something like 80 years - I forget the exact number). So when it comes time to build infrastructure the government just tells you to gtfo.

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        12 days ago

        China has stronger property laws than the US, look up stuck nail houses. If the US wants your property, they can eminent domain your shit. In China, developers have literally had to swerve highways around property or build shopping centers around that one person who wont sell

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          12 days ago

          Lies. My family had a factory in Wuxi, China. 2 buildings that were dedicated to dormitories. 4 buildings dedicated to manufacturing promotional products.

          We were able to lease the land for 50 years with a 50-year option at the end of the term.

          Around year 5, the government decided to turn the main dirt road into a proper road. They took back 1/4 of the land. They just used our area for staging.

          About a year after the road was made, they decided to expand the road. They took back now 1/2 of the original land and buildings.

          Less than a year after the expansion, they turned the 4 lane road i to a highway. They took the entire land back. My family invested millions of dollars in buildings and infrastructure. We got back pennies on the dollar spent on the investment on compensation.

          My family never fully recovered financially.

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            12 days ago

            Huh, if the government has that power, why don’t they use it for stuck nail houses? I talked to a few people in shenzhen who made significant sums selling land to developers.

            Different type of ownership due to your family purchasing the land vs inheriting it? Different provinces? Did they compell them by indirect means such as threatening to revoke a business liscense or asking suppliers to pressure them?

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              I don’t know. Wuxi is significantly smaller than Shenzhen. I think it was around 2 million people at that time.

              They didn’t give my parents much of an option. When they did finally take the land away, they did offer to relocate us to another location, but at that time, my family was already struggling from the 2nd loss, my parents just ended up closing the business all together.

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        12 days ago

        America is no different. Try not paying your land tax.

        The only difference is that, in America, someone needs to shout “eminent domain!” first and slip you $500 for your house.

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        12 days ago

        Look to public transit development in Taiwan as an example of how to do it right in a democratic nation. There are still loads of problems but the Taiwanese government can’t just take your land outright. Taipei especially has seen phenomenal growth in its metro development in the last 20 years.

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            11 days ago

            Just like how Pakistan administers Jammu & Kashmir and India administers AJK & Gilgit Baltistan, both of which are across the Line of Control in the opposite country’s border lol.

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        12 days ago

        Wrong, the state owns the land but you can own the house, and not just for your 70y BS period.

        There are plenty of articles like of instances where homeowners don’t want to sell for infrastructure like this: https://twistedsifter.com/2012/11/china-builds-highway-around-house/

        I know for a fact here in EU or the US they will indeed " just tells you to gtfo"

        BTW, in China a high 90% of people OWN their house and aren’t rentslaves.
        So there’s that China bad man.

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          It’s hard to overstate how much safer and more ethical it is to use eminent domain and fairly compensate someone monetarily for their property than to leave their house in the middle of a highway

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      12 days ago

      One of the reasons they can build their future so quickly is because they were left in a unique position after WW2 to effectively destroy their past.

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        12 days ago

        And they have slave labor. Oops, I guess that’s something that shouldn’t be said in a post pandering China

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          12 days ago

          I’ve been to urumqi, literally anyone can go there.

          Theres no slave labor, its normal industrial farms. Unless youre suggesting the guys driving the combine harvesters or running the factories are secretly enslaved.

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            12 days ago

            If you’re USian - you have vastly more domestic slaves (I think you call them prisoners in for-profit prisons) than Uyghur population. Maybe you should do something about it.

            If you’re not USian, no rebuttal.