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I tried to search context on what that means but got fuck all except an excerpt on Saint Piran.
Israel is a murder machine.
Damn tho, it catchy!
The IDF is a terrorist organization. Prove me wrong.
You know, at one point during this war, I thought, “they’re compelled to service, most of them probably don’t wanna be there, and we can’t hold them responsible for the orders of the state.”
Then I saw some interviews with some IDF soldiers. Then I saw more interviews. And it’s the same in recent interviews: they are happy to be there, and they absolutely love genociding Palestinians.
Fuck the IDF
Even if it were the case that they didn’t want to be there, “just following orders” is not an acceptable excuse for committing a genocide. The morally correct thing to do if you’re compelled to service in the IDF is to refuse and face the consequences, because they cannot be worse than the moral injury of being tasked with the murder of innocent children.
They aren’t going to let you see the unenthusiastic ones.
They don’t censor foreign internet in Israel. Protesters of the regime can be heard from on the outside, there just aren’t that many of them.
If you’re forced to live in Israel you won’t be publicly voicing your opinions if they’re against the norm. One of the worst insults is “deserter” for those that did not wish to serve and “leftist” if you go against the murder of innocent people. Sadly being one or the other means problems for you down the road when trying to find a job and generally living a life here. It’s a small country, word gets around quickly and you still have to live here if you don’t have any other citizenship.
I didn’t just see one interview. It was dozens of interviews over the last 20 or so years. If it was just one piece, I would probably agree with you (as I have clearly stated multiple times). And I’m sure there are members of the IDF who are not there willingly and do not support its goals.
But I have a preponderance of evidence which supports my position.
My point is, again, that IDF soldiers are far more loyal, willing, and supportive of the socio/geopolitical goals of Zionist Israel than soldiers of the Wehrmacht were supportive of the Nazi Germany.
The identity politics of being a Zionist are far more… all-encompassing then were the identity politics of being a Nazi.
Stop defending Nazis just because you are extremely ignorant of historical facts and contemporaneous attitudes.
Your evidence supports that there are members of the IDF who are enthusiastically engaged with what they’re doing. I am not debating that- i think you’re right.
But it’s important to remember this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven’t seen interviews of IDF members objecting to what they are doing does not mean those members do not exist. I would expect the IDF to have systems in place to minimize the external visibility if any such objections, which makes a generalization like that dangerous.
I already conceded that there are very likely, in fact, I’m sure of it, members of the IDF that are not there willingly and do not support its goals. The point I’m trying to make is that the proportion IDF soldiers that support Zionism is much higher than the number of supporters of Nazis in the Wehrmacht.
Many members of the Wehrmacht were fighting for Germany, not the Nazis. Every single member of the IDF, except for perhaps a few exceptions, are absolutely fighting for Zionism.
It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population. It is possible you may be correct or incorrect, but you are jumping to a conclusion about a topic with insufficient data to do so.
It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population.
Except that it is. And I’ve told you that, several times.
It’s like you have ignored every comment I have made so far. For the IDF of soldiers, there is a huge amount of pluralistic evidence to support this. And for the Wehrmacht soldiers, there is a huge amount of historical evidence that supports this, too.
You don’t wanna be convinced, you just wanna argue a single point and ignore anything that is contrary to it.
All of this information is very publicly available. Since you are so adverse to taking my word for it, go look at these facts up for yourself.
As you are clearly sea lining rather than arguing in good faith, I’m going to block you now.
Have a wonderful time go fuck yourself
There are older documentaries where older IDF recount war crimes and being proud of it… this been going since the creation of this project … the two main forces that created the IDF are UK Registered terrorist organization.
Counterpoint: The IDF isn’t a terrorist organization; they’re the Wehrmacht.
I don’t know if that’s really a counterpoint. The Nazis started as a terrorist organization.
And I’d argue that, based on available historical evidence, a lot of the Wehrmacht were fighting for Germany, not the Nazis (a subtle distinction, I know, but I think an important one in this context), whereas IDF soldiers, according to many interviews with them, are definitely fighting for both Israel and Zionism. I would argue that IDF soldiers are far more committed to their geo/sociopolitical cause than were the typical soldier in the Wehrmacht.
The IDF’s fascist zeal is more akin to that of the SS. Although, as an organization, the US Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement is far more similar to the Nazi SS.
The Wehrmacht was sworn to Hitler and to nothing else.
Wrong. They were sworn to Germany, and nothing else.
The vast majority of them also joined so they didn’t starve to death. And in the second half of the war, it was forced conscription. They said what they had to say not to get shot in the head. While I don’t doubt that many, even most, were loyal to the Nazis, a lot of of them were not. a great many joined because they had no other choice.
It’s a historical detail that is worth mentioning
Wrong. They were sworn to Germany, and nothing else.
This was the oath they took in the Wehrmacht:
„Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes, Adolf Hitler, dem Obersten Befehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen.“
“I swear by God this holy oath, that I shall render unconditional obedience to the Leader of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath.”
They were sworn to Hitler and to Hitler only. Google Führereid.
Cool. I get that you love fascist colonizers, but I’m pointing out how that has not ever worked out, and the reasons why. But keep goose stepping in. Apparently that’s very popular nowadays.
This does not, in anyway, to get my point. But thanks for googling that for me.
I’m definitely blocking you. I don’t like Nazis.
Reported. I am not a Nazi, nor do I support the IDF or Netanyahu, but you were factually and provably wrong. Free Palestine.
Death, death to the IDF!
Maybe it’s because half their raps are in Gaeilge or the BBC just didn’t check, but booking Kneecap and not expecting to hear something about governments and Palestine would be like booking NWA and cutting their mics if they played Fuck the Police.
Great job riling up the crowd for Vylan’s new chant there, genius move.
The BBC isn’t booking anyone they’re just covering Glastonbury festival.
Lol they basically did that before. They booked Rage Against The Machine to play “Killing in the Name of” live. It has the line “Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” and they asked RATM to censor it while they played. The BBC was then somehow surprised when RATM didn’t do what they told them. source
i’m going to imagine him staring the BBC producer(s) dead in the eye as he sings it
Thing is, afaik, the BBC has nothing to do with booking the artists. They just broadcast the sets and hold them on the iPlayer for a month after. Kneecap (and Bob Vylan) were booked by the Glastonbury organisers.
I get knocked down… I get up again
Brits are so fucking good at chants. Caught the quick rhythm and even the melody in just a bar.
Irish too. The band they cut short just before this has songs that are quite catchy and the theme is ACAB
Not all heroes wear capes.
Or shirts apparently
I’ll go check his songs now, just from that chant I can tell he has a way with music
If you missed the 2000s anti war punk bands they deliver with a 2025 vibe.
I can agree with that message
Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit Nazi? Calling for the death of Israel seems problematic. It can easy expand target all Jewish people.
No, the actually antisemitic claim is that Israel and the IDF are representative of Judaism and/or Jewish people. They are fascist organizations and the conflation of these groups with Jewish people at large (a narrative pushed by Israel and their allies) is what endangers them
They are just calling for the death of the SS and SA not
GermansIsraeli or Jews in general. Sorry thought this was 1933.You have it backwards. The IDF are carrying out a genocide. So an analogy to the WWII-era would be like if Cab Calloway chanted ‘Death, Death to the Nazi SS’ , and then you’re comment (on our fictional 1940’s internet forum) would say “Cmon guys, this seems problematic because it can easily expand to target all German people”.
No, you’re not. This is generally classified as antisemitic. But for a multitude of reasons people don’t care or even see it as a good thing. Reasons including:
- Decades of being told that there’s always a good side in war (there rarely is, I can only think of ukraine in this century and WW2 in - the last century),
- being propagandized into warthirsty “patriots”,
- being radicalized during covid,
- getting radicalized by (a)social media
you get the idea
He didn’t call for the death of Israel.
The IDF is a military force actively engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Israel itself is a colonist state that only exists thanks to constant violence threatened and perpetrated by its military and the US. It is not in any way antisemitic to criticize these entities up to and including advocating for their dissolution. Anyone who takes this valid criticism and turns it into “Jews Bad” is either incapable of understanding the complexity of the issues here, is a bad faith actual anti-Semite looking for an excuse, or has fallen for the ubiquitous state propaganda that has been conditioning this exact response.
States and militaries are not culture. Nationalism is not identity. Fascism must be dismantled whatever form it takes.
so if I say “death to Nazi’s” by your logic, you’d have issues with that. Saying “Death to Nazi’s” could easily expand target to all Germans, All white people, or hell at this point All Americans.
see how flawed your logic is?
Oh, whoops. Here you go:
https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/37661027
Edit: original: https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/3bf38d29-c6d6-403d-9c72-14f7bd712764.mp4
Your comment might be intended for elsewhere.
But if you want to upload videos for Lemmy, catbox.moe provides free anonymous upload. Simply link to the video afterwards in your post, and it will automatically embed on lemmy as long as the link is directly to the playable video.
I’m saving this comment to review later, when I’m more alert. Thanks!
I would be careful about anything with Hexbear on it, those fuckers are 75% bots and 25% “death to the west” extremists. They might even be using media to log IPs and de-anonymize users.
The BBC are complicit in genocide by censoring the news in favour of Israel.
Anyone got a video of the rest of this set? Searching for it just brings up page after page of genocide apologists getting upset over the warmup.
Someone uploaded it to WeTransfer if you’ve not found it elsewhere yet.
It’s a great set. Big Bob spitting facts from top to bottom.
BBC nuked the footage after they got the call.
