• Longpork3@lemmy.nzEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Anyone got a video of the rest of this set? Searching for it just brings up page after page of genocide apologists getting upset over the warmup.

    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Your comment might be intended for elsewhere.

      But if you want to upload videos for Lemmy, catbox.moe provides free anonymous upload. Simply link to the video afterwards in your post, and it will automatically embed on lemmy as long as the link is directly to the playable video.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        4 months ago

        I would be careful about anything with Hexbear on it, those fuckers are 75% bots and 25% “death to the west” extremists. They might even be using media to log IPs and de-anonymize users.

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit Nazi? Calling for the death of Israel seems problematic. It can easy expand target all Jewish people.

    • verdigris@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      4 months ago

      The IDF is a military force actively engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Israel itself is a colonist state that only exists thanks to constant violence threatened and perpetrated by its military and the US. It is not in any way antisemitic to criticize these entities up to and including advocating for their dissolution. Anyone who takes this valid criticism and turns it into “Jews Bad” is either incapable of understanding the complexity of the issues here, is a bad faith actual anti-Semite looking for an excuse, or has fallen for the ubiquitous state propaganda that has been conditioning this exact response.

      States and militaries are not culture. Nationalism is not identity. Fascism must be dismantled whatever form it takes.

    • neons@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      4 months ago

      No, you’re not. This is generally classified as antisemitic. But for a multitude of reasons people don’t care or even see it as a good thing. Reasons including:

      • Decades of being told that there’s always a good side in war (there rarely is, I can only think of ukraine in this century and WW2 in - the last century),
      • being propagandized into warthirsty “patriots”,
      • being radicalized during covid,
      • getting radicalized by (a)social media

      you get the idea

    • brendansimms@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      You have it backwards. The IDF are carrying out a genocide. So an analogy to the WWII-era would be like if Cab Calloway chanted ‘Death, Death to the Nazi SS’ , and then you’re comment (on our fictional 1940’s internet forum) would say “Cmon guys, this seems problematic because it can easily expand to target all German people”.

    • rozodru@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      so if I say “death to Nazi’s” by your logic, you’d have issues with that. Saying “Death to Nazi’s” could easily expand target to all Germans, All white people, or hell at this point All Americans.

      see how flawed your logic is?

    • storm@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      4 months ago

      No, the actually antisemitic claim is that Israel and the IDF are representative of Judaism and/or Jewish people. They are fascist organizations and the conflation of these groups with Jewish people at large (a narrative pushed by Israel and their allies) is what endangers them

    • reddit_sux@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      They are just calling for the death of the SS and SA not Germans Israeli or Jews in general. Sorry thought this was 1933.

  • FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Maybe it’s because half their raps are in Gaeilge or the BBC just didn’t check, but booking Kneecap and not expecting to hear something about governments and Palestine would be like booking NWA and cutting their mics if they played Fuck the Police.

    Great job riling up the crowd for Vylan’s new chant there, genius move.

    • Darren@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Thing is, afaik, the BBC has nothing to do with booking the artists. They just broadcast the sets and hold them on the iPlayer for a month after. Kneecap (and Bob Vylan) were booked by the Glastonbury organisers.

    • lama@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Lol they basically did that before. They booked Rage Against The Machine to play “Killing in the Name of” live. It has the line “Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” and they asked RATM to censor it while they played. The BBC was then somehow surprised when RATM didn’t do what they told them. source

      • Doorbook@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        4 months ago

        There are older documentaries where older IDF recount war crimes and being proud of it… this been going since the creation of this project … the two main forces that created the IDF are UK Registered terrorist organization.

          • paultimate14@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            4 months ago

            Your evidence supports that there are members of the IDF who are enthusiastically engaged with what they’re doing. I am not debating that- i think you’re right.

            But it’s important to remember this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven’t seen interviews of IDF members objecting to what they are doing does not mean those members do not exist. I would expect the IDF to have systems in place to minimize the external visibility if any such objections, which makes a generalization like that dangerous.

              • paultimate14@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                4 months ago

                It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population. It is possible you may be correct or incorrect, but you are jumping to a conclusion about a topic with insufficient data to do so.

        • ayyy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          4 months ago

          They don’t censor foreign internet in Israel. Protesters of the regime can be heard from on the outside, there just aren’t that many of them.

          • CriticalMiss@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            4 months ago

            If you’re forced to live in Israel you won’t be publicly voicing your opinions if they’re against the norm. One of the worst insults is “deserter” for those that did not wish to serve and “leftist” if you go against the murder of innocent people. Sadly being one or the other means problems for you down the road when trying to find a job and generally living a life here. It’s a small country, word gets around quickly and you still have to live here if you don’t have any other citizenship.

      • Schmoo@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Even if it were the case that they didn’t want to be there, “just following orders” is not an acceptable excuse for committing a genocide. The morally correct thing to do if you’re compelled to service in the IDF is to refuse and face the consequences, because they cannot be worse than the moral injury of being tasked with the murder of innocent children.

            • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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              4 months ago

              Wrong. They were sworn to Germany, and nothing else.

              This was the oath they took in the Wehrmacht:

              „Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes, Adolf Hitler, dem Obersten Befehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen.“

              “I swear by God this holy oath, that I shall render unconditional obedience to the Leader of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath.”

              They were sworn to Hitler and to Hitler only. Google Führereid.

  • BigDiction@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Brits are so fucking good at chants. Caught the quick rhythm and even the melody in just a bar.

  • Dagnet@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I’ll go check his songs now, just from that chant I can tell he has a way with music