For me, it’s full text search.

I tend to want to find an opinion on something very specific, so if I can just toss a phrase or model number or name of something into a search field and get actual non-AI, non-advertisement, non-stupid-shit results, that’d be absolutely ideal.

Like, say, how Google worked 15 years ago.

There’s honestly nothing wrong with any of those options including 2. I get people see algorithm and recommendation and have aneurisms but this space isn’t looking to harm anyone intentionally. If there’s any space we should trust with any kind of algorithms it’s this space as there’s not the same incentives that Big Social has. As long as users can consent and have control.

But to answer your question it would take some hybrid search on top of an aggregator that is explicitly public and respects people’s flags. I know Mastodon is working on a discover service

I personally wouldn’t mind algorithmic recommendations if:

• you can control or choose the algorithm
• you can turn it off, or it turns off after you follow N amount of users

Discovery is important when you’re initially signing up, but once you found the people you want to follow, you don’t really need it any more. It should just be there to help new users, essentially. As long as it’s open source and not run for profit, there’s not the traditional incentive to keep your eyeballs on the app like we see with the other networks.

Given the way things are in my perspective, what I want on mbin & lemmy is somewhere like a mix of 1 & 2, with 3 as a solid option. I know that the torches and pitchforks are about to come out, but I’ll try to outline the way I see it.

When I’m in a meme-scrolling mood, I have to look up meme magazines / communities to start (Method #3). Fine, that’s working as intended. Obviously that will lead naturally to Method #1; as I subscribe and gradually follow other posters, my bubble will grow.

But what I want for the ‘threadiverse’ is a more unified suggested page. If I’m in, let’s say, [email protected], I’d like to also have my feed show content from [email protected], or lemm.ee, or whatever other threadiverse instances that my chosen instance is federating with. I’d also like to see “subject memes” on my meme feed as a default - Science Memes, Star Trek Memes, etc… That falls under Method #2 - because I want the software to predict that because I’ve subscribed to memes@*, and interacted with content from memes@*+1, that I will also like *memes*@*. Obviously this could also be a matter of tagging and magazine integration, but that’s something that would help the fediverse feel more united and less daunting for people.

Obviously dealing with the microblog side, mandatory tags or some form of community selection would be great to help out. It would be nice to see more microblog entries from Mastodon, Misskey, Pleroma, etc., sorted into magazine-like collections by tags.

I wish we had a nice tagging system (and I don’t think they should be hashtags) that was also in common use.

I want to be able to search any post related a certain topic, and sometimes, these may not always be in that topic’s community, because topics can overlap. For example, I might want to read posts about Ukraine war, but those might be in world news, US news, or combat footage communities. Could be a community about Ukraine in general, or Ukraine war specifically.

I also may not want to get it from a single Ukraine community. Maybe by finding posts with the “Ukraine war” tag, I’ll see several communities and join the one I want. But there needs to be a way to group them somehow.

Such a tag system may be useful for combined topics. For example, I may want to look for posts about music software. They might not be common in the music community, or software communities. But I could filter by both tags and find what I want.

Looking back at my own life, I found the first few online communities I ever seriously joined (when I was a preteen, for context) through a web search, then discovered most others (recursively) from there, until I ended up (among other places) here on lemmy (which I can trace back to reddit, which I can trace back to a forum I started to pay attention to because of one of these original online communities preteen me found through a web search; not providing more info for privacy reasons). :P

So #1 and #3 are how it should work, IMHO, although #3 mostly for people who aren’t yet engaging with anything at all, most things will be discovered through #1.

I think most people use the Internet not for posting anything (or at least not much) themselves, but for looking up things they want to know (through a web search). In the pre-smartphone era, web searches would often direct to specific websites which might have forums attached to them, that was how I first started to seriously engage in my first online community actually. This isn’t the case much nowadays: many search results are either wikis (which are communities themselves, but don’t really invite discussion that isn’t about working on the wiki) or blogs/WordPress websites which may or may not have a comment section, but it’s relatively rare for them to have forums or even to link to reddit/fediverse communities to discuss their subject matter.

So I think it would be desirable if we managed to change that last part: top search results for many terms on search engines should be, or link to, fediverse communities, which should make it clear that users are invited to join. That would help us get more users engaged with fediverse communities in the first place, they would naturally discover more communities once they’re here.