• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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    Most children are successfully socialized into the culture they’re raised in. I think the usual though process is “I was hit by adults when I was a child” -> “I hit children now that I’m an adult” rather than rebellion.

    “Hitting children for any reason is wrong” is an idea that only recently developed in Western culture. It isn’t universal in space or in time and without it, children still generally didn’t grow up to distrust authority or hate injustice.

    (Consider a similar phenomenon in the Soviet Army: the tradition of senior conscripts abusing junior conscripts. All those senior conscripts were recently junior conscripts themselves and yet the tradition continues.)

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      That’s a very black-and-white way of looking at it. As children grow older, so too do their elders. Eventually the power balance (so to speak) shifts, and both the child and the elder learn who can hit harder.

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        Locking up parents you don’t like in a nursing home is also a recent, Western development. Generally grown children don’t seek revenge against their parents even in societies where physical violence against children is common. On the contrary, these societies usually have strong norms requiring the respect of elders.

        (It’s ironic that by historical standards, Western parents treat their children exceptionally well but Western children treat their parents exceptionally poorly.)

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          Who said anything about a nursing home? I thought we were talking about throwing punches? Cause as I said, as each party ages, they both learn who hits harder.

          Any old person that acts like they can’t catch hands, is literally asking for some to be thrown.

          If you’re 20yo still taking abuse from someone three times your age, you’re not fighting hard enough for your own rights.

          I hope to any and every god that may exist, that kid gets close enough to Erdogan one day, to return the favor tenfold.

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            I don’t know of any society where physical violence against one’s elderly parents is ever considered acceptable. A young adult is stronger than his elderly parents, but that young adult is universally forbidden to physically harm them, and this taboo is very rarely violated. (Edrogan isn’t the boy’s parent but he’s even higher up in the “respected elder” hierarchy.)

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              It’s pretty regular thing to beat your father if he abused you before. (Usually happens when the child is around 16). Then the child is kicked out of home. Many such stories here in Lithuania.