If you were alive in 1960s America, you would have seen no seat belts, significantly lower life expectancy, children still dying to smallpox and polio, and if you are ethnically from the Middle East; everyone in America would have hated you. Race riots were a massive thing in the 60s, police brutality was rampant against people of color. Even the FBI was trying to suppress race progress.

You have presidents for decades trying to create racist drug politics to entrap only non-white non-affluent people into cyclical prison systems.

You have so much hidden then, that happens today, but it was both hidden and far far greater.

The ideal doesn’t exist at all and more so for someone like yourself.

Who is we and deep into what?

I simply responded to your statement that you couldn’t think of a way to express the position without sounding as if you were against another people.

It feels very very simple.

The actions of those who cause harm to innocent people are deplorable. Those who order such actions or commit them, should be held accountable. I don’t have to say any proper nouns or even make it specific to this conflict to express that.

“I don’t want the response to horrific things to be more horrific things inflicted on those who have no control of these events.”

That seems pretty cut and dry…

Database engineering does have some overlap with your dating life :)

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What does the total sum of all funds spent for the last 20 years on GWOT have to do with foreign aid budgeted spending in 2023 to Israel?

These aren’t in the same budget category. The tax dollars spent on GWOT had significant effect in the United States ability to borrow as a government due to national debt increases, but that impact is seen directly in the increasing yearly amounts of tax revenue spent to repay that debt, not directly to inflation. Show me correlation in the first ten years of GWOT to CPI?

So let me get this right. You believe spending, as allocated in the budget for a fiscal year, in a category you do not even understand the limits of, for amounts you need to calculate in fractions of a percent of the budget, is a worthy mention of impact on inflationary pressure?

One where you improperly equate it with printing more money as a federal reserve economic control device, and assume aid = printed dollars instead of the majority of which is already existing assets in storage where packages are given dollar values for their worth?

Lol.

Continue to make loud noises out of thy ass while making false equivalence.

/u/Squizzy

I would love if you could explain the connection between these two things.

I have my macroeconomics books from college at hand, so so please take your time to be detailed as I won’t dislike reviewing my notes.

Narrator: there is nothing about spending 0.001% of GDP on foreign aid that is of significant impact to inflationary pressures, and OP is speaking out of their ass. To the point where when they fart it sounds like a god damn jazz band.

Reality. ————————- This comment.

That seems to be you declining to provide an example of a reasonable response then.

That doesn’t answer my question. Nor is it 100% historically accurate.

If the only proper response is discontinued existence, then you have left no possible response.

this leaves only two outcomes.

Either be killed by terrorists, or dissolve your entire society and nation state.

Israel would of course not see either of these solutions as options.

I am not being disingenuous, I acknowledged history. I am not blind to the motivations of either party. These latest events were started by choice, when any other action could have been chosen but to behead children in diapers.

According to your answer, the only right act appears to be dissolving their entire country and giving it to the people who kidnapped their people in this latest round of violence. I can’t think this makes sense in any other situation, so it’s can’t here.

Something between doing nothing and what they are doing as middle ground in response has to exist as an option that is acceptable.

If the only option is complete dissolution of a nation state to avoid bloodshed, it is effectively not an option. Propose a solution that isn’t the continued deaths and is not the total dissolution of a nation state, which no nation in earth would agree to.

What exists as an option in response besides these two extremes?

Negotiating with them would give them reason to take hostages again.

Terrorism definition: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So if you reward violence with success to political wins, this would give violence a reason to happen more as a tool. This obviously isn’t an answer if you are Israel wanting to prevent your citizen and other nations being killed / violently victimized to force capitulation of your government.

So from their perspective, or any other government of the world, this is a non starter.

Let me try again.

What is the action that you would deem correct and just in response to the attack by Hamas that started this latest series of events?

I do not discount the past, Israel’s culpability in escalation, human rights violations by its military members, and politics that favor them over Palestinians. I do not discount the international error of the two-state solution imposed by external countries.

I am asking, in response to 1400 dead civilians IN THE PRESENT, what any nation’s correct action is as a response. It is easy to decry the current decision, but I have heard little proposals to the contrary of what perfect looks like for an Israeli response.

So, IGNORING WHAT CAME BEFORE THE EVENTS THE ARE CURRENTLY UNFOLDING, what would you have deemed the correct response?

This didn’t answer my question.

Humor me. As a third party with no side in the fight, what is the correct response from Israel to the massacre of citizens?

Obviously this isn’t it.

So what is the answer, ignoring anything before the inciting attack from Hamas, from either side, what is the cause effect reaction that you would deem appropriate by Israel?