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Doing what? Fighting a war they didn’t start?

No ethnographic studies have shown that any present or past society has used barter without any other medium of exchange or measurement, and anthropologists have found no evidence that money emerged from barter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barter

What would be an example of the barter economy you’re certain exists? How do they overcome the need for double coincidence?

There is a large difference between war and genocide.

But that’s what I’m asking you. Can one side achieve overwhelming victory, in your view, without you calling it a “genocide”?

No, right?

Does war exist, in your view? Or is it always a case of the winner murdering the loser, unjustifiably?

I continue to recommend that you read the paper past the abstract, hope that helps

I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley

If the paper says something the abstract doesn’t then it’s a bad paper or a bad abstract.

The whole point of an abstract is that it’s not the entire paper, stupid

I’ve gone to every link you’ve provided to me and none of them were a UN study.

Because you won’t read past the abstract. I can only give you the sources; I can’t make you read them.

Also a funny story, one link I provided you had multiple IPC reports.

You didn’t provide a link.

t. Or you wouldn’t have said something so demonstrably false about Gazan aid being turned around.

It’s not a news story about aid being turned around in Gaza. It’s a news story about aid being turned around at the Gazan border because it contains impermissible dual-use items that are forbidden in aid shipments to Gaza.

Finally, accusing UNRWA of incompetence while blocking and attacking their aid convoys has been an Israeli propaganda line for most of the past ~10 months.

You’re correct that it’s propaganda but you’ve misattributed it. It’s Hamas propaganda.

I’m sure you’ll be willing to share?

I am sharing it? In every post? I can’t make you read it, though.

You keep dodging around it but we’re talking about checkpoints inside Gaza preventing aid from being distributed.

But there are no IDF checkpoints preventing aid from being distributed. The IDF isn’t responsible for the distribution of aid; UNRWA is. And in any case that’s a new accusation; you had previously said they cut off the aid and now you’re saying they get the aid, they just can’t get it to anybody. But the logistical failures of the UNRWA aren’t anyone’s fault but theirs.

With report after report telling the same story

But that’s false. There isn’t “report after report” telling the same story. There’s one FRC report, with conclusions all other groups say aren’t supported by their own data, saying that famine has been “severe and imminent” even as Gazans continue to enjoy widespread access to abundant food.

You literally have nothing else, while I’ve produced source after source.

And not accounting for trucks that are turned around inside Gaza by Israeli troops.

That’s zero trucks. IDF troops can’t and don’t make aid trucks turn around once they’re in Gaza. They don’t get the chance - the aid warehouses are all just beyond the border crossing.

If an aid truck is turned back, due to the unlawful presence of dual-use items in the shipment, then it is turned around at the checkpoint, not in Gaza, and isn’t included here.

And your news story study is from the Israeli government. Who is about as trustworthy as a murderer on trial.

I disagree with that. The Israeli government is more credible than the Hamas government of Gaza, and in any case here’s another study proving that the UN’s conclusion of famine is based on ignoring huge amounts of aid:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4851635

On the IPC website you will find that the people in Gaza have not been getting enough calories since February.

But they have been - the IPC study was totally refuted by the UN’s own research. The FRC’s conclusions aren’t supported by even their own data.

If trade occurs, then by definition they have currency; there are no barter economies.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-study-finds-food-supply-to-gaza-more-than-sufficient-for-populations-needs/

Except I have the receipts:

https://x.com/aizenberg55/status/1802704210485473414?s=46

https://x.com/aizenberg55/status/1802704212461052162?s=46

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-study-finds-food-supply-to-gaza-more-than-sufficient-for-populations-needs/

You’ve been lied to. There is no famine in Gaza, which is why the Ministry of Health there records almost zero malnutrition deaths.

More people died of malnutrition in Los Angeles since Oct 7 than died of it in Gaza.

Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?

No, the food that goes in. The UN analysis deliberately excludes up to 70% of the food aid entering over the Israeli border into Gaza. All told it’s 3500 calories per Gazan per day, since Oct 7 - well shy of “famine”, entirely the opposite.

These figures have been verified by independent observers and by the UN.

Yes! They deliberately omit most of the food aid entering Gaza, to deliberately undercount calories per person. That’s not according to Israel; that’s according to the UN itself.

That’s why the UN has predicted “mass famine” but it never actually happens.

But they aren’t separate. Gaza is receiving so much aid from Israel they say they’re running out of places to put it.

Weren’t they the ones that used shells as money?