Well then they’d have been occupiers’ human shields. So while probably not the primary target, per Israeli policy they’d be perfectly legitimate military targets. Human shields and unrelated collateral damage are perfectly acceptable to the apartheid occupiers.

Hey now if that was the reason that would mean the Israelis are racist, but they’re the most moral country in the world. So surely it couldn’t that!

The other one, Yassin / Yasin Rabia. Which for all I know could also be like John Smith.

Senior Hamas member Yasin Rabia, responded to the attack, saying[…]

That was the name I saw in reports about the Rafah killings.

Completely agreed. That said, this pre-October-7th article does list a person with the same name as one of the claimed targets of this attack giving statements on behalf of Hamas, so assuming they aren’t lying about having killed him, in this particular case the claims seem plausible. They attacked a Hamas member and included their preferred amount of collateral damage.

BBC is saying Israel claims this one took out two Hamas officials, so it seems like a typical “why kill few Palestinian when kill many do trick” case.

You could link to resources on Jewish opposition to Zionism.

• https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism

Until World War II, anti-Zionism was widespread among Jews for varying reasons. Orthodox Jews opposed Zionism on religious grounds, as preempting the Messiah, while many secular Jewish anti-Zionists identified more with ideals of the Enlightenment and saw Zionism as a reactionary ideology.

The whole article has a fantastic background. Basically, Zionism was considered sinful!

Thanks, I hadn’t looked into this one in more detail.

It’s tough being an informed consumer of news given that we know both Israel and Hamas lie their asses off, so it’s basically equally likely:

• Israel murdered more civilians for fun / to advance their genocide
• there’s crystal clear video showing that the rockets were launched from these tents, or by people who were living in them (which, ignoring that Israel’s theft of land and brazen mass slaughter motivating these attacks, would traditionally make this a legitimate military target). Of course even in this case, a non-terrorist/genocidal country could use means to attack that are more selective. Israel just likes to specifically use non-selective attacks to cause as much collateral damage as possible%20to%20secure%20that%20end.).

It sucks.

Ok, after some more reading about the government of Palestine, this is not a completely unreasonable position. Thanks for pointing out the lack of elections in the occupied West Bank too.

The DW documentary “Israel - Birth of a State” is very informative if you can find a way to watch it. It’s from earlier in 2023, by one of Germany’s major news outlets.

Ah yes, nobody expelled anyone from anywhere in 1948.

The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when Zionist paramilitaries attacked the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine, killing at least 107 Palestinian villagers, including women and children. … The massacre was carried out despite the village having agreed to a non-aggression pact. … was a central component of the Nakba and the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight.

I upvoted you, because your point about the occupied West Bank is valid, but let’s be clear: Hamas is very much a problem. They haven’t held real elections in Gaza for close to 2 decades and have been in severe violent internal conflict with their Palestinian opposition.

Israel being genocidal maniacs doesn’t mean everyone shooting rockets at them is automatically a good guy.

Maybe more genocide will make Israel safe. Genocide is the best path to peace and security, right? 🤪

The Samson Option?

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

Or maybe you prefer:

What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?

While some of them have expressed desire for beachfront houses in Gaza, I think the parent was referring to lebensraum. You may also consider whether there’s any similarities to a potential Final Solution to the Palestinian Question. Maybe instead of shipping the Palestinians to Madagascar they’ll ship them to Egypt or Jordan or wherever (for now they’ve concentrated them in camps around Rafah).

But remember, per the IHRA definition of antisemitism, discussing similarities between the acts of Nazis and the acts of Israel is antisemitic.

How did you choose that excerpt? The headline and most of the contents are about Israeli violence. The preceding sentence immediately before your excerpt is this:

The head of the Israeli Shin Bet domestic security service was recently quoted as warning that the spike in settler attacks was in turn driving Palestinians to attack Israelis saying: “Jewish terror incites Palestinian terror.”

And the rest of that paragraph is about various revenge attacks.

Chihuahuas don’t kill so many children.

Nah, preventing humanitarian assistance to Palestinians is helpful in their goals of beachfront settlements. Remember when they drove a bulldozer over that American lady? Israel DGAF. You’re either with them, or you’re Hamas/an antisemite.

“Worth it”? It’s a precondition to achieving their goals.

“Investigating”