Unfortunately, that’s not what I’m talking about, either.

What I’m talking about is something like a sufficient, critical mass needed to help .ee (and any other place) survive in the long run. Two years ago I thought there was a real opportunity and possibility based on what the Reddit execs were publicly doing… how many users it both pissed off and motivated. That in turn brought about a burst of user energy, directly reflected by the significant migration to FV, which of course included participation, and at best, valuable content-creation, curation, useful posts & comments, and responsible moderation. That was a significant, known movement, and IMO a positive one, even if it wasn’t going to last indefinitely.

As a personal example of a ‘motivated user,’ I saw the need for a certain community which was nowhere-else present across the FV, and decided to create it. Over the past two years I’ve populated it with 400+ posts, most of them in the form of mini-articles. Other people also chipped in here and there, and there have been healthy comments and subscribers to sort of flesh the whole thing out over time.

For the most part it’s been a fun (if sometimes extremely frustrating) little hobby, but it’s still basically a one-man show, despite almost 2yrs and 1,210 subscribed accts. Point is-- at the end of the day it’s been a small project that I thought worth maintaining as both a thank you to .ee and a tribute to the FV as a whole. Lemm.ee didn’t necessarily need that kind of contribution from more than a handful of users, but as said above, it needed a certain critical mass to make it work across the server as a whole, and a minimum of posters contributing vile content or simply being disruptive assholes.

At one time I thought community spirit (for what that’s worth) would kind of tilt things in a long-term sustainable direction. But it seems I was mistaken, and thus we have the announcement today. IMO I’m not pointing fingers; I’m observing.

Thanks for the offer and kind words! I’ve tagged you in the comment above…

@https://lemm.ee/u/mjhelto

Thanks, fellas! I guess the first need would certainly be to fully archive the community in question, i.e.: https://lemm.ee/c/eurographicnovels.

Yes, I understand it’s already and naturally backed up across the FV as a whole, but I would think that having direct backups would help for any number of reasons, especially when it came to running a new sub somewhere, being able to edit previous content as needed.

As part of that, backing up the community’s many images specifically hosted at .ee would be another priority I should think.

Also, just want to point out that the community is indeed archived at Archive.Org, but last I checked, that tends to only preserve the post / comment text.

Anyway, that’s for starters. Me, I have absolutely no idea at the moment if I’m going to be able to help run the place after migration, but at the very least I can hopefully find someone willing to do that. Anyway, I guess that’s good for starters!

Blaming the community for that is not fair.

I’m not blaming the community. Things are what they are, including human behavior.

What I did was to state what I think is and was necessary for the FV to survive robustly in the long term, and in my opinion it just wasn’t happening adequately, at least for .ee, and maybe it’s a problem for the FV as a whole, too. You’d have to see what other major instance admins had to say, I guess…

I don’t think reddit is necessarily doing anything better in that regard,

I’d say the big, honking difference with Reddit is that there’s a team of paid admins and staff to handle so much of the chores and unsavory occurrences that the volunteer admins & mods on the Lemmysphere have to do on their own. Also, their software is years ahead, and I strongly suspect has many more out-of-the-box tools than Lemmy has on the admin side. It’s certainly that way for the mod side, I can attest.

It really wasn’t, sadly.

The site founder put in an incredible amount of work setting the place up (something like 10 support servers at US$200/mo), but also tried to be lead admin for a year+, and that’s typically an extremely tough double-job to do well on a big, popular site / place. In his various posts he sometimes talked about all the vile content and destructive users the sub-admins had to deal with on an ongoing basis, and it certainly sounds like that burned out the whole volunteer staff in the end.

From my own POV, and something I noticed from the beginning here, is that in the wake of Reddit (and other places) treating its users as assets, it was important to grow a userbase across the Lemmysphere and Fediverse with a strong community spirit. To me that means more participation, more content-creation, and more willingness to be civil and cooperate. Not that these things didn’t happen to a significant extent, but it seems like a lot of .ee users and visitors, while willing to hang out at the place, were moreso just willing to soak up the content without putting in much effort to help make the place work. Or even just being toxic and destructive, as above.

A lot more could be said and debated about the whole situation, but sites like Reddit, as draconian as they might be at times, and whatever their other flaws, have proven that they’ve been able to establish a system that works stably over the long haul.

Me, I love the idea of the FV, and for that very reason have put in almost two years of hard work in to my own project on .ee, but I’m very unsure about the long-term healthy function of the Lemmysphere in particular. More specifically, trying to migrate my project to another instance before .ee shuts down would be a herculean task AFAIK, especially with my having significant new health issues recently.

So, yeah. :/

What’s the worst that could happen, do you think?

I’ve actually widened a hat much like this one by heavily wetting it, fitting it on a larger, head-shaped object, then letting it dry. Even permanently turned up one of the side-brims to create a “slouch hat” / “digger hat” look.

Worked great and no complaints, but I’m also curious what might have gone wrong…

My goodness…

Sorry if you felt I was rude, above, mate.
I’ll try to take a closer look when I get a chance. :S

Good hunting, in any case!

So if I’m understanding stuff like this correctly, it’s R being on the side of big business and user exploitation, etc, but not being willing to actually admit that, and thus, all these bogus ‘threatening violence’ charges.

Maybe part of what their exec team learned from two summers ago is to just STFU publicly, meanwhile letting their AI grind down legitimate critique / dissent.

You’re not disagreeing with anything I said. You’re talking about a completely different issue which I’m certainly sympathetic to.

Because I do get the sense that users are more easily banned these days at the admin level. Having slow or non-existent customer service doesn’t seem to be helping either, based on the anecdotes you all are sharing.

Btw, feel free to list or PM me your Reddit account name. I can run it past some reputation checkers to check it out…

Bullshit.

I’ve been on Reddit for 9yrs, and have seen loads of recycled post content, which is definitely a thing. Even for the karma-farmers, though, there’s at least a usefulness in bringing interesting content to new users who hadn’t seen it before. And yeah, sometimes bots will replicate comments in such threads from years earlier. This is also a thing.

But across my ~dozen curated streams I see about 10% of that stuff, and 90% actual fresh content, including actual commenters that one can interact with if one merely tries. (have you?)

So part of my point is this-- if you’re browsing vanilla Reddit and complaining about the experience, then you’re telling me that you haven’t made any significant attempt to set up your Reddit acct properly, up to and including failing to set up RES properly.

And if so, what you’re telling me in short here is that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

This is a silly/ridiculous narrative that simply isn’t true.

I’m on both places, and have been doing my best to grow things on the Lemmy side for ~2yrs now, but Reddit is still invaluable to me for plenty of fresh and authentic talk across a number of subjects. Yes, botting may be a problem here and there, and power-tripping mods exist (at both places, actually), but overall Reddit is still a robust, useful site.

Now, do I like forward to the Fediverse growing and attracting more users over time to more and more niche communities? ABS-SO-LUTELY.

But I think we have to make that happen by producing quality comments, posts and communities, not by declaring false victories, nor by making completely disingenuous comments.

I’m fully onboard with all the critique listed here, but I’m afraid I do still use R on a daily basis. Why? Because of sheer (and original / non-bot) traffic, I guess.

This tends to mean that highly-useful, knowledgeable, expert-level commentary is still produced there in significant quantities, even if it does mean sifting hard through the dreck to find it. And that stuff can be hugely useful to me.

That said, I feel like Lemmy has a significantly higher signal-to-noise ratio, so it doesn’t have to be remotely as big as R in order to achieve the same level of usefulness, and indeed, L is certainly useful right here and right now.

But I guess the other thing is that most of the smaller and niche communities here could really use a membership boost. Maybe with the next reddit screw-up, that will happen, hehe.

Explain?

Now imagine your life without the luxury of a pampered, beloved floof by your side?

allows for excellent roleplay opportunities.

Sure, if you’re there to stir-some-shit.

In which case-- proceed uponst thine own risk?

I’ve had dozens if not hundreds of accounts silenced by attrition.

I’m sorry, but… why would anyone possibly need more than one acct or two to post within the rules framework of Reddit, or really, any other site?

“Spam,” or deliberate, repeated rule-breaking intent are the two answers that immediately come to mind.

Please.
I’m drinking G-zero.
It’s a grand total of virtually *nothing* upon every sig. count.

One more time, mssr-- what is your magical mixture?

Cravings wear off fast.

Long story short, some years back I damaged something in my esophagus / stomach, and was unable to eat for ~10days. Water was about it for all that time. Maybe a lollipop here and there. Anything more like ‘real food’ was true agony. I forget if I took man-made vitamins during that time; perhaps a tiny bit here and there.

Finally, whatever it was had healed up, and I was able to eat again, and had lost a good bit of weight, and felt so much more energetic for a few weeks, afterwards!

electrolytes

Stuff like gatoraid, or more exactingly-formulated stuff?

Heha, I’m scared, but I’m also interested! (frankly)