I was gonna say I’ve never seen a price gap that wide

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The people who are against the concept of free will say that because you have innate desires for food sex and entertainment, that you have no choice to not act upon those in a desires and therefore any delusion that you carry about the choices that you make being done of an entirely unencumbered and Free Will are false.

That’s not the argument against free will. The argument is just that there’s a physical process to every thought in your head. When you think of a tree, inside your brain a specific pattern of neurons and chemical messengers activate which is what creates the thought of a tree.

When you’re consciously deciding whether to eat a donut or a salad, a specific pattern of neurons and chemical messengers are the mechanism by which that decision process is occurring. The pattern of neurons and chemical messengers happening in your brain is the physical mechanism that is performing the decision making process.

There are no thoughts outside of the ones generated by your neurons and chemical messengers. The pattern of neurons and chemical messengers IS the thought that you’re thinking. Your brain (and the thoughts that occur within it) is a physical object that obeys the laws of nature, the same as all physical objects do.

I didn’t do what you said. Did you read the links?

I’m not. Did you reply to the correct comment?

Neither of those are pejoratives, they’re just the words for your positions

https://www.askdifference.com/natural-vs-supernatural/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

Everything you just wrote in your followup reply here continues to fit into those categories as far as i can tell.

But where does your desire and capacity to do that thing come from? It arises from the physical arrangement of neurons/hormones/etc. in your brain and body

Pot kettle black

What if you never had it and never can have it because its not a havable thing

Even in that scenario, the “conscious choice” happened via some particular arrangement of neurons/chemical messengers/etc. Your argument is a “god of the gaps” argument- science doesn’t know everything about how the brain works, therefore some supernatural process called “free will” is the cause of the stuff science can’t explain yet.

(No knock on you, you’re having a good faith debate :)

The most accurate answer is: We don’t know.

But there are pieces of scientific evidence that suggest our sense of free will is just another perception process that happens in our brains. Specifically I’m thinking about people who have problems in their brain that make them feel like they AREN’T the one controlling what they do. For example people suffering from derealization - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depersonalization-derealization-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20352911

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As to why our brains have a process that gives us a perception of free will, that’s a much harder question that i think science currently only has conjecture on. If i had to guess I’d guess that either there’s an evolutionary advantage to it, or it’s an emergent property that arises from all the parts of the brain being connected in the way they are

Ariesta Birawa Group

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sOyqwivH9NE

“Alright i gotta go do some stuff. I’ll text you tomorrow”

I can’t figure out the comment threading here. Who is responding to who? And which comment are we agreeing with here at lemmy and which are we deriding?

Ok that’s kinda hilarious

I mean that makes sense because that’s kind of how it is in english too. “Star” makes you think of a star, but “bucks” at the end of the word doesn’t make you think of anything specific, it’s just a sound

There’s a map that shows where every file on your disk is. Doing a regular trash just erases the map pointer for that file, but the 1s and 0s that the file is made of are still sitting there on your disk. Secure erase writes 0s into that area on the disk, so even if you knew where that file used to be located on the disk, now you’ll just find 0s there, instead of finding the 1s and 0s of the old file.

If a private citizen from a western country decided to go to Iran against all of the highest level warnings, then i have to sympathy for them.

You can own a car without registering it or getting plates or insuring it or anything else. What you can’t do is take it on public roads without those things. If you wanna drive it on your personal property then you can do pretty much whatever you want with it, but as soon as you put it on a road that the state owns then you gotta meet the state’s conditions to use the road.

Comedian Steven Wright, for anyone who’s unfamiliar with him, you should check him out