I’m upset that signs like this need to be posted. I’ve only been to one comicon and took shitloads of unconsented pictures, because I was suffering from hella anxiety and would never have worked up the nerve, and because if I asked everyone I’d have been asking all day. Roadhog+junkyard? Photo. Amazing Link costume? Photo. Green Ranger hanging out of a delorean? Hell yes Photo.
Nothing creepy though. I went out of my way to not point my camera at anyone dressed even remotely sexy, because I dont need the hassle. I also dont need the creepshots. I have the Internet. We have access to more porn than can possibly be consumed in a hundred lifetimes. Im not about to go stealing apples when I live in an orchard.
I think the message is a bit vague in context. It is not really about taking candid pics of people in situ. It is saying don’t invade a person’s space to stand right next to them for a selfie, or demand that they stop what they are doing to pose for your picture. That kind of picture is not your inferred right with some imaginary implied consent. This is the outlier intrusive behavior that must be addressed as odd. There are a lot of these types of entitled people in the world, but they are still a minority.
There are also narcissists that sadistically dress for attention and then believe they have a right to gatekeep who is allowed to look at them. Both groups are people with mental health disorders.
This sign is about lessening the negative emotional impacts others have on people that have gone to extreme and amazing efforts to participate in cosplay. It is about being respectful and appreciative of those people. It is about calling out the worst mental health disorders present at the event.
Photographing people candidly is not the point, but even in that circumstance. Taking unsolicited candid pictures of specific people is as uncouth as a person that talks about their legal rights in a social setting to entitle their behavior. Asking people to take their picture is just good manners.
I think the message is a bit vague in context. It is not really about taking candid pics of people in situ. It is saying don’t invade a person’s space to stand right next to them for a selfie, or demand that they stop what they are doing to pose for your picture.
It might be my autism, but this was completely lost on me and interpreted as “don’t take any pictures with people in them without permission”
No. Not autism, just badly phrased as part of a confusing gray area of “When are you allowed to use your phone in public?” online discourse.
There’s plenty of people who sincerely believe you don’t have any kind of rights to photography of anyone at any place for any reason, without explicit consent. There’s others who believe heckling and cat calling is perfectly normal acceptable behavior. And then there’s a thousand lines in between.
Standing half naked in a garish “please pay attention to me” costume near a sign that says “Stop taking my picture without asking me first” is confusing to the point of feeling like rage bait.
Sure. But that’s missing the crux of the point, which is confusing given the context (a picture of a girl posing for a picture) and the caveats (posing/touching, not just snapping a picture of a crowd).
I read it closely and I agree. Men will take it as don’t get near don’t, move. Women will take it as any minor annoyance counts as SH. And both miss the nuance of it being that you can snap public areas, but no one owes you a touch or personal picture.
I’m upset that signs like this need to be posted. I’ve only been to one comicon and took shitloads of unconsented pictures, because I was suffering from hella anxiety and would never have worked up the nerve, and because if I asked everyone I’d have been asking all day. Roadhog+junkyard? Photo. Amazing Link costume? Photo. Green Ranger hanging out of a delorean? Hell yes Photo.
Nothing creepy though. I went out of my way to not point my camera at anyone dressed even remotely sexy, because I dont need the hassle. I also dont need the creepshots. I have the Internet. We have access to more porn than can possibly be consumed in a hundred lifetimes. Im not about to go stealing apples when I live in an orchard.
K… But did you try to playfully spank, or aggressively assault any of those people? Because that’s what we’re getting at here.
Consent for photographs is important too, and is mentioned in the sign below the “hands off” part.
Congrats on completely missing the point
I see the word hands now. It was the “photo with or of” that drew my attention.
Sorry bud.
I think the message is a bit vague in context. It is not really about taking candid pics of people in situ. It is saying don’t invade a person’s space to stand right next to them for a selfie, or demand that they stop what they are doing to pose for your picture. That kind of picture is not your inferred right with some imaginary implied consent. This is the outlier intrusive behavior that must be addressed as odd. There are a lot of these types of entitled people in the world, but they are still a minority.
There are also narcissists that sadistically dress for attention and then believe they have a right to gatekeep who is allowed to look at them. Both groups are people with mental health disorders.
This sign is about lessening the negative emotional impacts others have on people that have gone to extreme and amazing efforts to participate in cosplay. It is about being respectful and appreciative of those people. It is about calling out the worst mental health disorders present at the event.
Photographing people candidly is not the point, but even in that circumstance. Taking unsolicited candid pictures of specific people is as uncouth as a person that talks about their legal rights in a social setting to entitle their behavior. Asking people to take their picture is just good manners.
It might be my autism, but this was completely lost on me and interpreted as “don’t take any pictures with people in them without permission”
No. Not autism, just badly phrased as part of a confusing gray area of “When are you allowed to use your phone in public?” online discourse.
There’s plenty of people who sincerely believe you don’t have any kind of rights to photography of anyone at any place for any reason, without explicit consent. There’s others who believe heckling and cat calling is perfectly normal acceptable behavior. And then there’s a thousand lines in between.
Standing half naked in a garish “please pay attention to me” costume near a sign that says “Stop taking my picture without asking me first” is confusing to the point of feeling like rage bait.
It’s not illegal to take pictures in public areas.
It’s a bit of a gray area if they are indecent (pictures) and/or if the event is admission-only (which a lot are).
Sure. But that’s missing the crux of the point, which is confusing given the context (a picture of a girl posing for a picture) and the caveats (posing/touching, not just snapping a picture of a crowd).
It’s a mixed message.
I read it closely and I agree. Men will take it as don’t get near don’t, move. Women will take it as any minor annoyance counts as SH. And both miss the nuance of it being that you can snap public areas, but no one owes you a touch or personal picture.
That is a weird essentialist assumption.
Everything I stated was a fact, not one word in that sentence was a fact.
This is about touching people, not taking pictures. I assume taking pictures of cosplayers is generally not a problem?
The sign says:
Oh weird, it’s worded a bit weird. Usually all these events have a huge clause that it’s a public space and your footage can be used and published.
Guess it only counts for corporations