So,

I’ve never bothered with this before, since systemD seems to work just fine.

But I did this year stop using Ubuntu for most of my hosting needs and moved to Alpine or Debian, depending on what I’m doing.

So it makes sense to optimize even more. I read up a little about why people dislike systemD. Good reasons if mainly you’re worried that it’s doing too much and is too heavy.

So what are the alternatives that work with both Alpine and Debian? What are people using? Is it relatively easy to move from systemD to whatever is your alternative?

Thanks!

  • eclipse@lemmy.worldEnglish
    113·
    9 days ago

    Why are you searching for a solution to a problem you don’t have?

    There’s nothing wrong with systemd.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
      58·
      9 days ago

      Wow.

      It’s

      • built bad
      • … by the uncooperative
      • … for the wrong reasons
      • incredibly frail
      • indivisible
      • a logically incomplete and unsound replacement for everything it supplants
      • the poster-child for bad ideas pushed into the mainstream with browbeating and gaslighting
        • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          1·
          8 days ago

          The only part that is wrong TMK is the “indivisible” one; and perhaps the last item because I recall that PulseAudio and Wayland were pushed this way worse than systemd was.

          • non_burglar@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            8 days ago

            It’s not about the list of things wrong with (in this case) systemd. I don’t like systemd’s approach either, and I think poettering is a pompous ass. But we’re here now.

            The great thing about Linux is that when someone comes around and wants xfce with i3 instead of xfwm, they can have that. Most of us might think it’s a stupid idea, but if they want it, they can do it.

            So when it came to systemd, no one ran up and said “I don’t like this”, they just didn’t use it, mostly cause it was half-baked. And hey, if some guy wants to build an all-systemd box, go for it.

            The crime of systemd is forcing most of us to use it by shipping it by default with Ubuntu, then Debian, then red hat, etc. I see menus in the debian install that ask what DE to use, whether SSH should be installed, etc, but no sysV/OpenRC/systemd menu choice.

            The problem isn’t “what’s wrong with systemd”, it’s “why are you removing my choice to pick”. That’s why this list misses the point.