• iAvicenna@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    2 months ago

    I would like to invite, to the stage, all the Jews who were complaining that calling Israel’s actions a genocide is diminishing the importance of the Holocaust

  • 4am@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    2 months ago

    It’s wasn’t the ethnic cleansing of Jews that was bad, it was the ethnic cleansing of Jews that was bad.

    The more Israelis who wake up to this, the better.

    • Carl@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      This isn’t the only genocide happening in the world, just the one with the most media attention. West Papua, Ukraine, Uyghurs in China, Sudan… The list goes on. Also, the West Papua Genocide has been going on for over 60 years now.

    • rational_lib@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      This was a pretty interesting read: https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

      There was a point where many peace activists saw zionism as a good thing, but then the zionists chose a fascist leader. To be fair in the 1940s it might not have been clear yet that religious nationalism is bad and tends to lead to fascism. What’s odd is that many still haven’t figured this out yet.

      This of course applies to Hamas as well, which is why there’s not going to be peace in the middle east until there’s a secular group in charge of things on at least one of the sides.

      • MBech@feddit.dk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Every nation has nazis within their ranks. Killing and spreading suffering is a core part of being a nazi, so it’s the perfect outlet for them.

    • Genius@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 months ago

      This user, “drag”, is a transphobic troll who repeatedly told another user to kill themself while they begged “drag” to stop. “Drag” has also sent gore and child porn in PMs to other users they disagreed with, including PugJesus, FlyingSquid, and Ada. Please, everyone report their comments wherever you see them.

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 months ago

      Honestly Hamas is what struck the match for Israel to start killing. Mass killings are not ok but Hamas isn’t the good guy here. If they had more military strength there would be a lot more dead Israelis.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 months ago

        Honestly Hamas is what struck the match for Israel to start killing.

        May I interest you in literally all of Palestinian history? What did you want them to do? Sit on their asses as they’re starved and the West bank is ethnically cleansed by the Nazis?

          • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            2 months ago

            For the first three: Why the hell did they have to give up their land to people who explicitly wanted to create an apartheid state?

            For the rest: Pick any one of those and I’ll explain in detail why it was another farce. You’ll also have to explain what 1967 peace deal there was for Palestinians to accept.

            • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              2 months ago

              Under UN partition plan nobody would have needed to move. Everybody would stay where they live already. Jewish immigration would only go to one of the states. It was always planned with a minority of Jews in the Arab state and a minority of Arabs in the Jewish state. So no giving up land that was privately owned. All land acquired by Zionists until 1948 was legally purchased.

              Why? To avoid war.

              Between 1948 and 1967 Palestinians could have accepted Israel’s existence and declared a Palestinian state in the non occupied West Bank and Gaza.

              • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                2 months ago

                Everybody would stay where they live already. Jewish immigration would only go to one of the states. It was always planned with a minority of Jews in the Arab state and a minority of Arabs in the Jewish state. So no giving up land that was privately owned. All land acquired by Zionists until 1948 was legally purchased.

                Are you aware of what Zionists did in the Nakba? Are you aware of why they committed the Nakba? Zionists wanted a Jewish state with an overwhelmingly Jewish majority so they could maintain the facade of a Jewish democratic state. Ethnic cleansing was simply the solution to that “problem”. There’s no world in which Palestinians would be allowed to etay peacefully in their land because they’d never vote for Zionists. Also look at the shit they did after they won the war and the shit they keep doing now. Are these the actions of people that were ever going to respect private land ownership?

                We must expel Arabs and take their place.

                -Ben Gurion, 1937.

                Zionists could’ve accepted the Palestinian proposal of a mutli-ethnic democracy spanning all of Palestine, which in theory should’ve posed no issue, but they didn’t because it wouldn’t be a Jewish-dominated apartheid state.

                Between 1948 and 1967 Palestinians could have accepted Israel’s existence and declared a Palestinian state in the non occupied West Bank and Gaza.

                They were occupied—by neighboring Arab states. And either way that’s not a peace deal. Did you have something concrete in mind or were you just lying?

                • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs today, with full rights.

                  Look up what the Arab leaders said at the time.

                  Zionists could’ve accepted the Palestinian proposal of a mutli-ethnic democracy spanning all of Palestine

                  What offer are you talking about?

      • Anas@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        2023 was one of the deadliest years for Palestinians prior to October.

        *In the West Bank ^

    • PanArab@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      Hamas are at least indigenous and not from Poland

      Edit: Jews from Iran or India or wherever are still not indigenous to Palestine.