Post had nothing to do with murder or violence. It is clear who reddit serves.
We’re allowed to discuss all forms of revolution, so long as they are ineffective.
So if you want to know how to stage a successful revolution, consider what you’re not allowed to say as the starting point. And take a look at how the CIA overthrows governments- it ain’t peaceful.
The number of peaceful revolutions we can unfortunately count on one hand. We can strive for to -but we have to be realistic
However there also has to be a plan. Simply overthrowing the existing rule allows chaos & someone worse to assume power
‘We can’t overthrow Hitler, because someone worse could come in to take his place.’
No one said that. As the others pointed out, I’m saying have a plan.
The go-to example is the French Revolution. There was no plan for after they eliminated the “bad guys,” and they ended up executing mostly non-rich folk. Saw a stat elsewhere that it may have been as few as 20% of victims were the rich.
Do we really want 80% of the people hurt by a revolution to be the common folk? If that’s what you wanted you might as well stick with the current status quo. You’re getting it.
I’m not going to argue further with you as the others have already done so well enough. I am only saying: have a plan, or things very well could go even worse
The monopoly men have worked very hard over the past one hundred years to stamp out class consciousness in the US. They won’t give in without a fight.
I was shadow banned from Reddit for making a not violent Luigi post on 12/23/24. My account was older and had high karma. I am grateful to have found this community. The state of human rights in the United States is bleak. I watched my mom die from early onset Alzheimer’s in our broken system and I don’t even have words for the cruelty in our system. How can corporations be “people” if there’s no way to hold them accountable for mass murder? Our system is broken and corrupt from top to bottom and somehow it’s about to get much worse. Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
My mom passed earlier this year from pneumonia. The insurance wouldn’t let her stay until it was gone. So we had to keep taking her out of the hospital for a couple days, and then putting her back for the same pneumonia, it lasted for months, because the hospital couldn’t fully treat it. She had to wait at home until she was able to go again, and it eventually took her. The pneumonia, stress and everything else was just too much for her heart. She ended up going into cardiac arrest multiple times and the pneumonia sepsis is listed as her official cause of death.
Luigi is a fucking American hero and I wish more people could be like him. I unfortunately have to take care of these kids so I cannot but I will pray for whoever picks up that mantle.
I’m sorry for your loss. They murdered your mother for profit and it enrages me. I’ve personally suffered at the bloody hands of the insurance companies as well. The insurance companies fill me with a cold deep rage. I hope all their leaders know fear before they come to their end.
I have kids as well. I’m no longer religious but I believe in Saint Luigi and pray that others are inspired by his noble actions. Truly.
If you’re willing, please share the name of the insurance company and the CEO that murdered your mother for money.
The real villains are vanguard, black rock and the politicians that keep selling out the people. Things are about to get much worse with the cutting an privitazation ( this means it will be moved to a corrupt dysfunctional shareholder profit model) for medicade, Medicare, veterans healthcare and social security. The social contract is broken and the wealthy have waged war on the people. I was hoping that those doing this would have a wake up moment due to Luigi and ease up but instead the suppression has only increased. I don’t know how to fix this but the attack on the working class is “legal” and any resistance or hope is “illegal” or prohibitively expensive and easily stamped out. I get why people don’t want to bring children into the meat grinder that America has become.
Hyper focusing on Blackrock makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist - there are many groups like it, you have to expose the whole not be obsessed with the one or again it just looks crazy. IMO.
Black Rock, Vanguard and State Street own 74% of the US Economy. Not a crazy conspiracy an easily verifiable fact https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/these-3-fund-families-control-74-of-the-market
I literally rage quit reddit over this. Hence why am on Lemmy now. Hopefully we can draw more users from Reddit over here. Esp with the boycott of all things US.
The moment Robber Barons were first stopped, they starting working to rig things so they are never stopped again.
The only way to remind them that they have no such power is the French way.
All Tesla dealerships should be on fire by now. Now protected by a wall of obese ‘police’ that would not pass the most lenient tests to join the police force in any country of the EU.
NGL if ya’lls ability to make rational appeals inherently relies on Luigi Mangione worship then you’re going to have a very difficult time just in general.
Even just using the un-photo-shopped Bernie Sanders original could swing the bias almost 50% in your favor when approaching the general public with your ideals.
Everybody loves Bernie. Only 18% approve of what Luigi did.
Last numbers I saw in that kinda world, where very much higher then 18% not sure where you are pulling that figure from?
The poll which came out on December 13th 2024
I dunno, that poll reads very much in favor of Luigi. The fact that a poll needs to be run in the first place for an act like this. To me anything that’s not strongly against this is showing some sort of support.
That’s some insane mental gymnastics you have there…
All luigi supporters are like that, it seems.
I guess most of his supporters are far left genocidal maniacs and alt Nazis, so no wonder.
What kind of retarded shit is this?
It’s a photo of a guy who shot a CEO and a text that basically says “there’s more”.
While I agree with the message, it’s still a call to voilence.
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Lemmy’s security is largely in its obscurity. If the community ever gains the degree of popularity or prominence as Reddit, it will succumb to all the same socio-economic pressures.
Hell, Reddit’s origin story isn’t far off from Lemmy’s. A left-wing FOSS guy pioneers a novel means of aggregating information in a relatively decentralized and community-oriented way. But then the capitalists move in, he’s arrested, the administration of the site is auctioned off to VCs, and the site is slowly mutated into an echo chamber for neoliberal propagandists and reactionary agitators to scream at one another, drowning everything else out.
Lemmyites want to believe they’ve engineered a technical solution to what is ultimately a socio-economic problem. The human labor that makes Lemmy work can be attacked and replaced, the communities that form alienated from one another and censored by moderators and dispersed, and the popularity monetized here just like has happened elsewhere.
This isn’t a safe social media space. Its just a lingering redoubt in an internet that’s been under siege for decades.
That it literally why we have Lemmy and other AP sites. Big corporations cannot take control of our spaces.
Likewise reddit was never decentralised.
Big corporations cannot take control of our spaces.
There is no particular reason why a committed group of business professionals couldn’t work their way onto the largely volunteer Lemmy team and hijack the project, buy out major site administrators, or point the Feds in their direction like they did with Aaron Swartz or Ross Ulbricht.
There’s nothing magical about the Fediverse. Its still the product of human labor and hardware, just like every other online space.
Reddit was never FOSS. Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better. If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
Reddit was never FOSS.
Reddit went full open-source in 2008 with a Github repo, did a (possibly deliberately) poor job of maintaining the repo despite this source code resulting in a plethora of 3rd party site enhancements and feature suites, then ultimately close its code nine years later.
Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
RedHat did Linux extremely dirty, and they’re hardly the first. It also has a significantly larger, more skilled, and more international userbase.
Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better.
That’s a beautiful lie. Lemmy’s federation has been its pioneering feature, but it continues to backslide into Reddit-with-Extra-Steps. If anyone could claim they were building something truly novel, it was Mastadon. But that complexity and novelty has been an albatross around their necks since day one.
If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
:-/
Reddit went full open-source in 2008 with a Github repo
I stand corrected, although it seems to have beern a corporate gambit.
I can see where you’re coming from, reading you’re other reply in this thread, but I’ll just try to hold on to my idealism a bit longer :)
Like, don’t get me wrong. Lemmy’s a better place than Reddit ever was. There’s reason to be hopeful. But I see a lot of reflexive naivete and simple ignorance surrounding what this community functionally is and how it works.
The biggest threat to Lemmy isn’t a security vulnerability or a procedural defect, but the simple value it accrues through its own success.
If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
:-/
I’ll find you, UnderpantsWeevil. Under every rock, under every pant I’ll look, till I find you precious weevil.
💘
As I understand it, the fediverse as a whole is composed of instances, each one communicating with whichever other instances it wishes (the instances acting as social medias of sorts). Each instance is created by people making their own thing, so if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world. Is this not the case?
if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world.
Websites get traded on the backend regularly without hemorrhaging their userbases. A large site is going to have a degree of inertia. People aren’t going to all simultaneously pick up out of .world and go to .world2 because someone on le.mee or .shi.tjustworks talks shit about the mods. There’s too much of a trust deficit, just for starters. And it would be a two-way street if it wasn’t (people in .world claiming le.mee was the one that got taken over and you should decamp from them to our instance).
Past that, you can always make a new website even before federation. The trick is then getting a working community to include you in their network of links and shares. Federation makes that process more explicit and more pronounced. But most local instances have learned not to federate with everyone in the fediverse (because there’s so much gnarly shit out there), which means doing promotion and negotiation to get your new instance recognized by the survivors.
In a single case of a single instance getting taken over, migration is possible if a bit painful. But if it happens repeatedly, thanks to a professional business team going after instances strategically while individual largely-ignorant users have to respond organically, then the Fediverse doesn’t have a chance over the long term. Eventually, the business interest gets control of enough high profile domains and pollutes the means of interpersonal communication to such a high degree that you either trust your instance or you abandon the Fediverse entirely.
It becomes a game of “Who Is The Werewolf?”, which strategically favors the werewolves.
Did you follow the 196 controversy at all? An entire community just upped sticks and left because they got shitty with the mods.
I can see an entire instance being largely abandoned in a matter of days if they got offside with their users badly enough. Add in the loss in traffic from being defederated by everyone, and it would be a big loss for whoever bought the instance.
An entire community just upped sticks and left because they got shitty with the mods.
That wasn’t a one-and-done. The community had been bleeding for years, thanks to the increasingly reactionary vibe on the site. Mods built a life-raft (not unlike CTH or The_Donald after the purges in 2020) and decamped eventually. But it wasn’t spur of the moment, and it certainly wasn’t with the original user base intact.
I can see an entire instance being largely abandoned in a matter of days if they got offside with their users badly enough.
I see entire instances shut down overnight. But, again, this tends to be after the admins have purged the mod crews and the community at-large has either splintered or evacuated. Users tend to be sticky within their communities, even after a great deal of disruption.
They want to establish the narrative of Luigi-the-terrorist, but human beings know who is the reasonable one.
human beings know who is the reasonable one
I remember people saying that about Julian Assange and Edward Snowden twenty years ago. It didn’t take long for popular opinion to turn on them, though. Just call the whistleblowers allies of the opposition party or props of an evil foreign government. Americans hate that. And the American public soured on them rapidly, as a result.
Not saying it’s wrong, but the comments here look as much like an echo chamber as any other I’ve seen.
Funny discounting consensus as an echo chamber
Funny how you dismiss it as consensus.
Oh hey look it’s the fucking weirdo who made a Linux hate community
You’d definitely know what an echo chamber looks like, that’s for sure
What other murderers are your heroes folks?
Oh, did he actually do it?
Because last I checked, he’s a suspect and there’s no guilty verdict.
So if anything, this is just a innocent until proven guilty guy.
Then why are you all making him a hero if he didn’t do anything?
Who is “you all”?
Also it doesn’t matter if he did it or not from perspective of the class struggle and corporate oppression angle
The state chosen him to be the face of the people and they done fucked up because it back fired spectacularly.
So to answer your question… “We” didn’t make him anything the state presented Luigi as the alleged adjuster who was already was enjoying huge support prior to Luigi being set up with the conviction starter pack.
The state tried smearing him via fake news and socials… That failed too.
And the state has yet to even covict him of the alleged crime.
So you tell me what “we” actually did here beyond asking a few questions about what actually happened and why woulf somebody do this to such a leader lim brian Thompson.
What the fawk are you talking about? He’s a frustrated loser who came to a decision that murder would solve his poor back problems and maybe change the world LOL. I wonder if prisons have chiropractors. I hope the hell not.
