• LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
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    I am not defending the Philadelphia PDs actions here, which were clearly inappropriate, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say they “murdered” 11 people. If the PD kills someone while trying to serve an arrest warrant after being shot at, that is pretty clearly a lawful homicide and not murder. The death of the children could certainly be considered manslaughter but I don’t think it meets the standard for murder either since there was, arguably, no intention to kill them.

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      I am not defending the Philadelphia PDs actions here

      That’s literally what you’re doing. Literally.

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        Zero nuance as usual… just because I don’t think something was murder doesn’t mean I am defending them or their actions.

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      My brother in Christ, they were charged with useing excessive force and burned down a huge part of a neighborhood. Fuck off out of here with that god awful take.

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      Sometimes I wonder how the us has gotten away with its too numerous to count war crimes and crimes against humanity; and then, like magic, one of you appear.

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        I literally said I am not defending the police department. People should absolutely have gone to jail for this, but explain to me how it’s murder for a police officer to shoot and kill someone who shot at them first, while legally trying to serve a warrant.

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      You don’t think dropping bombs counts as intent to kill? I think they were careless enough regarding collateral damage to say they killed the victims.

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        They dropped two 1.5 pound bombs, which did not hurt anyone directly. The plan was to set the building on fire and flush people out, which was a bad idea, but they didn’t just level the building with explosives or something.

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    Notable Lines:

    “Attention MOVE: This is America. You have to abide by the laws of the United States.” They were given 15 minutes to come out.

    Police used more than 10,000 rounds of ammunition. At 2 p.m., Sambor ordered that the compound be bombed.

    Ramona Africa said that police fired at those trying to escape.

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      They also reportedly blocked fire trucks from getting to the fire and are still tying up litigation claiming that they shouldn’t have to pay for the damage to the rest of the destroyed block from the resulting fire.

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        They also refused to release the remains of the people killed, denying they retained any. Eventually, the University of Pennsylvania admitted to retaining some of the remains of 12 year old Delisha Africa and returned them to her family, in 2021.

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          also this: “The court decided that the plaintiffs did not have a Fourth Amendment claim against the city because there was no seizure when the defendants dropped explosives on the plaintiffs’ buildings, and that city officials and police officers had qualified immunity”